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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 05:22 PM
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hi all,

anyone know the entry cost for the time attack series? per even or per season?

ive emailed them but no reply as yet

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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 06:19 PM
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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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As Steve said try asking Ron, Warren and Jacko996 also compete. It is an awesome thing to be part of
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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 06:28 PM
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It's Ł399.00 per round or Ł2233 for the season.

There's also a membership fee of Ł38.50.

Then there's all your transport costs, accomodation, consumables, brakes, clutches, control tyres etc. etc.
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sounds good i have been looking into this too
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thanks guys, and will for that info!!!
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look in to a race season rather than a sprint get a better buzz and there normally better oganised
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crikey Ł400 quid an event is steep, the championship I race in is around Ł290 each double header race weekend and we actually race each other not the clock!

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Old Oct 12, 2011 | 09:59 PM
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is it me or is time attack abit of a rip off? you pay to race, it costs more than a trackday yet there are paying spectators and no prize money

sounds like the organizers are having it off rotten all you get is a little promo?
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Originally Posted by the youth
crikey Ł400 quid an event is steep, the championship I race in is around Ł290 each double header race weekend and we actually race each other not the clock!

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Originally Posted by ben_frst
is it me or is time attack abit of a rip off? you pay to race, it costs more than a trackday yet there are paying spectators and no prize money

sounds like the organizers are having it off rotten all you get is a little promo?
see above
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If you are thinking of doing TA you will also need msa approved race wear and msa membership. Tyres must be bought from the official supplier so don't jump the gun and get then off ebay.

Any questions feel free to drop me a pm.

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Did someone say motorsport is cheap.....

Let's stick to facts

Competitor Fees
Pro Classes = Ł315.83 + vat per round (Ł379.00 inc.) x 7 = Ł2210.83 (Ł2653.00 inc.) per season
Club Classes = Ł265.83 + vat per round (Ł319.00 inc) x 7 = Ł1860.83 (Ł2233.00 inc.) per season
OHW (One Hit Wonder) Pro Classes = Ł332.50 + vat per round
OHW (One Hit Wonder) Club Classes = Ł282.50 + vat per round
‘Club TimeAttack’ membership = Ł32.08 + vat per calendar year

OHW Time Attack Rounds (E) PRO CLASSES CLUB CLASSES Note: OHW entries open on 15/02/2011 Ł332.50 + vat per Ł282.50 + vat per
Round 1 - Saturday 16th April, Oulton Park, Cheshire
Round 2 - Sunday 15th May, Knockhill Circuit, Scotland
Round 3 - Saturday 25th June, Brands Hatch, Kent
Round 4 - Sunday 26th June, Brands Hatch, Kent
Round 5 - Sunday 31st July, Cadwell Park, Lincolnshire
Round 6 - Sunday 28th August, Anglesey Circuit, North Wales
Round 7 - Sunday 25th September, Snetterton Circuit, Norfolk

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Originally Posted by the youth
crikey Ł400 quid an event is steep, the championship I race in is around Ł290 each double header race weekend and we actually race each other not the clock!

steve

Steve not knocking what you do, great events and will do this but apart from Croft and Cadwell do you go anywhere else?

I pay Ł25 more each round more than you, this is Nat B full Race MSA approved with TSL timming. Free Lunch and drinks all day for me and the team.

I get full Pirrelli support as well as other input from tuners. I'm also lucky enough to get offers from top parts suppliers to have their products on the car like many other cars.

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Originally Posted by jay volution
look in to a race season rather than a sprint get a better buzz and there normally better oganised
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Have you ever been to a TA event?

Don't take my words but people I speak with say it's the most professional event they have been too, packed with an array of all types of high powered machinery.

Time Attack is now ranked with the likes of BTCC, BSB and World Superbikes in the MSV calendar. If Palmer rates the series then that speaks for itself
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Realistically you need to budget Ł1k per round to cover entrance fees, hotel (if needed), tyres, fuel, possible shakedown days etc. It's not cheap but it is a good buzz
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Slightly related question:

Is there such a thing as a time attack where you just turn up and have a go? Like a Sprint track day if that makes sense. How much would that cost?
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Originally Posted by DarylC
Slightly related question:

Is there such a thing as a time attack where you just turn up and have a go? Like a Sprint track day if that makes sense. How much would that cost?
yes but you will have to join your local motorsport club for that.

The club near me Middlesex Automobile Association or something does similar things including rallies, etc and its only 20 quid to join the club
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Originally Posted by Warren
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Have you ever been to a TA event?

Don't take my words but people I speak with say it's the most professional event they have been too, packed with an array of all types of high powered machinery.

Time Attack is now ranked with the likes of BTCC, BSB and World Superbikes in the MSV calendar. If Palmer rates the series then that speaks for itself

Maybe they see it as equal to bsb,wsb + btcc as they still pay good money for use of the circuit.
But if any of these events wanted to run instead of time attack im sure TA would be seen as the least attractive event to hold at the circuit and have to take a backseat.

I personally thought time attack had finished as there used to be a lot of hype over it but havent heard much for over a year or so.

Sure its good fun hooning about a circuit, but to me it sounds very much like an expensive version of hill-climbing, which is boring as fuc-K
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Originally Posted by R4N S S
yes but you will have to join your local motorsport club for that.

The club near me Middlesex Automobile Association or something does similar things including rallies, etc and its only 20 quid to join the club
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Originally Posted by Warren
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Have you ever been to a TA event?

Don't take my words but people I speak with say it's the most professional event they have been too, packed with an array of all types of high powered machinery.

Time Attack is now ranked with the likes of BTCC, BSB and World Superbikes in the MSV calendar. If Palmer rates the series then that speaks for itself
Warren not knocking what you do but most series get a invite to support btcc ect but if you like sprint then thats cool , if you go racing then you pass the ards test to get a licence but sprints are just buy your licence and away you go so you would think the fees are to exspensive for a sprint series .Been to plenrty of sprints over the years inc T/A and its a great socail event if you know people but the track action is tame and very boring (imo) compared to a race series as you can physicaly see the competion i would rather race a car thean race a clock or myself mate thats why i posted earlier i feel a person will get a better buzz car to car racing
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Originally Posted by puma38
Maybe they see it as equal to bsb,wsb + btcc as they still pay good money for use of the circuit.
But if any of these events wanted to run instead of time attack im sure TA would be seen as the least attractive event to hold at the circuit and have to take a backseat.

I personally thought time attack had finished as there used to be a lot of hype over it but havent heard much for over a year or so.

Sure its good fun hooning about a circuit, but to me it sounds very much like an expensive version of hill-climbing, which is boring as fuc-K
exactly might as well book a open pit day at a good track
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All the pro classes in TA require an ARDS test to be taken.
All because it's a new form of motorsport doesn't make it any less competative. It's still motorsport and is probably one of the best adverts for what we all have a Passion For(d). Tuning and modding cars.
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Originally Posted by puma38
Maybe they see it as equal to bsb,wsb + btcc as they still pay good money for use of the circuit.
But if any of these events wanted to run instead of time attack im sure TA would be seen as the least attractive event to hold at the circuit and have to take a backseat.

I personally thought time attack had finished as there used to be a lot of hype over it but havent heard much for over a year or so.

Sure its good fun hooning about a circuit, but to me it sounds very much like an expensive version of hill-climbing, which is boring as fuc-K
fair point

The amount of people that come to the event also helps
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Originally Posted by pabloXR
All the pro classes in TA require an ARDS test to be taken.
All because it's a new form of motorsport doesn't make it any less competative. It's still motorsport and is probably one of the best adverts for what we all have a Passion For(d). Tuning and modding cars.
sprints have been around for years so its hardly new ! t/a is just published form
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Originally Posted by jay volution
Warren not knocking what you do but most series get a invite to support btcc ect but if you like sprint then thats cool , if you go racing then you pass the ards test to get a licence but sprints are just buy your licence and away you go so you would think the fees are to exspensive for a sprint series .Been to plenrty of sprints over the years inc T/A and its a great socail event if you know people but the track action is tame and very boring (imo) compared to a race series as you can physicaly see the competion i would rather race a car thean race a clock or myself mate thats why i posted earlier i feel a person will get a better buzz car to car racing
I never thought for one second you were

I see this as the next thing up from trackdays and one before proper racing. I don't really want to have my car smashed into, but I want to test it against the best tuned cars available.
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Originally Posted by Warren
I never thought for one second you were

I see this as the next thing up from trackdays and one before proper racing. I don't really want to have my car smashed into, but I want to test it against the best tuned cars available.
couldnt agree more one mans poison and all that but i would love to yiour car out racing with the detail you have put into it mate theres alway's classic thunder theres a few gents in that series that like to finish the race with 4 corners on the car lol
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Steve not knocking what you do, great events and will do this but apart from Croft and Cadwell do you go anywhere else?

I pay Ł25 more each round more than you, this is Nat B full Race MSA approved with TSL timming. Free Lunch and drinks all day for me and the team.

I get full Pirrelli support as well as other input from tuners. I'm also lucky enough to get offers from top parts suppliers to have their products on the car like many other cars.
Hi warren, I wasn't knocking TA m just suprised at the cost per round although I do presume you have the track to yourselves hence unable to spread the cost like we can by just booking grid space with the other 8 ish championships running on the same weekend

as for the NSSCC this year we visited croft cadwell oulton park and knockhill so we do get around a bit!

been different TA does give you the exposure and the offers of support /parts sponsorship that mine doesn't without lots off begging!!

For example since I started racing only 3 companys have helped me out my brother in law supplied the t shirts jackets etc, paul at NYRS spares and matt lewis motorsport has been an utterly fantastic help with parts all season.
one company that shall remain unamed that I bought some parts off wouldn't even send me some stickers to put on my car!!

a proper sponsor is a dream away!!

good luck next year m8 if your competing in TA again

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I personly think TA is rather expensive for what it is, but compared to the likes of club racing like what The Youth does, its massively more exposed media wise, which is good for sponsorships and the likes.

Also can somebody also tell me what club circuit racing you can actually do where you are allowed to use a 600bhp+ car? Bar AAA saloons which has now collapsed I cant think of any series where you can.
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Originally Posted by jay volution
sprints have been around for years so its hardly new ! t/a is just published form

Fair point...still a lot of fun and a great atmosphere, even if not cheap.
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Quick question, whats the difference between club pro and pro? They both seem pretty wild classes. Also, TA looks like a great way of eating some jap crap (I like them really) on various different circuits. I love time attack, the whole, pretty much anything goes with the wild aerodynamics and mad engines. Gotta love it, and good luck to whoever enters next years TA.
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Originally Posted by AquariousRS

Also can somebody also tell me what club circuit racing you can actually do where you are allowed to use a 600bhp+ car? Bar AAA saloons which has now collapsed I cant think of any series where you can.
The championship I race in!!!
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Originally Posted by jay volution
Warren not knocking what you do but most series get a invite to support btcc ect but if you like sprint then thats cool , if you go racing then you pass the ards test to get a licence but sprints are just buy your licence and away you go so you would think the fees are to exspensive for a sprint series .Been to plenrty of sprints over the years inc T/A and its a great socail event if you know people but the track action is tame and very boring (imo) compared to a race series as you can physicaly see the competion i would rather race a car thean race a clock or myself mate thats why i posted earlier i feel a person will get a better buzz car to car racing
Jay very very few championships get to support the btcc etc the most of us just enjoy club motorsport at a much lower level

For example the ginnetta junior championship which this year was on the Toca package costs 60k a season to run each car and these are 15 year olds!!!
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Just a rough guideline.

Pro :- Private owned cars proven to be able to compete at this level no matter if they are tuner sponsored or not.

Club Pro :- Private owned cars too fast for club class.
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1 of the best racing series pound for pound is the Scottish Legends, it's a 1 make series with arrive option from Ł650inc vat for single meet or Ł1100inc vat for a double header. 2 away rounds each year which was caldwell park and croft this year. The series also has tv coverage of each race on motors tv which is a good way to attract sponsors.
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Originally Posted by gjh
Quick question, whats the difference between club pro and pro? They both seem pretty wild classes. Also, TA looks like a great way of eating some jap crap (I like them really) on various different circuits. I love time attack, the whole, pretty much anything goes with the wild aerodynamics and mad engines. Gotta love it, and good luck to whoever enters next years TA.

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Pro Class
Pro Tuner Pro Club Pro Protype

Club Challenge Front wheel drive Rear wheel drive Four wheel drive Normally aspirated less than 3.0 litre Normally aspirated greater than 3.0 litre

Engines
5.7.1
Engines are free.

Club Challenge Classes. Nitrous Oxide is not permitted.

Pro Classes (inc Prototype). Turbochargers, Superchargers, Nitrous Oxide or any combination of these is allowed.

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5.9.1 Club Challenge Classes. No sequential box unless OEM fitted.

Pro Classes (inc Prototype). Transmission and driveline are free.

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Brakes are free subject to MSA Regulation [J 5.6.1]. A handbrake must be fitted and in working order.
Carbon disc brakes are only permitted in the Pro Classes (inc Prototype).

Club Challenge
The only fuels permissible are Petrol, Diesel or Bio Ethanol which are commercially available. They must be of a type on sale to the general public.

For the avoidance of doubt, it is not permitted to use Nitrous Oxide in Club Challenge Class.
Pro Classes

Petrol, Diesel or Bio Ethanol are allowed. They must be of a type on sale to the general public.
Methanol is permitted as an additive only.

All Pro Class, vehicles running on Bio Ethanol, Methanol or Nitrous Oxide to run with a 3 inch diameter ‘Day-Glo’ orange disc affixed immediately adjacent to all competition numbers displayed on the vehicle.

All vehicles competing with Bio Ethanol, Methanol or Nitrous Oxide must declare so at scrutineering.
No undiluted Methanol must be brought to the venue.

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Originally Posted by the youth
Jay very very few championships get to support the btcc etc the most of us just enjoy club motorsport at a much lower level

For example the ginnetta junior championship which this year was on the Toca package costs 60k a season to run each car and these are 15 year olds!!!
this year alone we have supplies mr2's and celicas and bmw's for support races to the btcc we also do the panel work for a btcc car
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Scottish saloons is a championship where power isn't limited, past few years cars have had silly power likes of Charlie Shaw's and Andrew Gallagher's Focus alone with ex btcc cars, Porsche supercup cars and even a Lambo (which has loads of crashes on YouTube). This doesn't mean the championship is all about power but, the champion for the last couple of years was a westfield.
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Originally Posted by Paul1982sco
Scottish saloons is a championship where power isn't limited, past few years cars have had silly power likes of Charlie Shaw's and Andrew Gallagher's Focus alone with ex btcc cars, Porsche supercup cars and even a Lambo (which has loads of crashes on YouTube). This doesn't mean the championship is all about power but, the champion for the last couple of years was a westfield.
exactly power isnt a race winning car ! a car that handles and brakes properly is where you start none of this brute force lol
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