whats better 306 gti or rs2000 mk6???
20-09-2011, 11:15 AM
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Ok, I'll give you the rust thing 
As you say, great for different people. Ive always been a big Escort fan, and just prefer the looks and interior. They still drive well enough, so I'd rather sacrifice a bit of performance for the other stuff.
As I said, nothing to do with blinkers, I just prefer the RS. I'll openly admit it isn't as good technically, but I prefer it. Like I said, each to their own.
Perfectly seriously. I've never driven a French car with a gear change I liked. The RS isn't amazing, the IB5 Escorts have a nicer shift I think but there we are. I just didn't find the GTI-6 that precise, perhaps I drove a bad one.
It's all personal opinion. The 306 is quicker and handles better, but lacks in other areas for me. I've never liked the seating in any 306 I've been in, I just can't get that comfortable in them, I don't like the clutches (again, in any Pug/Cit I've driven), and I think the shoddy, unsupportive seats compared to the RS let it down.
I just prefer the feel of the Escort, the noise, interior, looks. We're all entitled to our own preferences
The grey 306 above looks nice, what are the wheels on it? Recognise them?
As you say, great for different people. Ive always been a big Escort fan, and just prefer the looks and interior. They still drive well enough, so I'd rather sacrifice a bit of performance for the other stuff.As I said, nothing to do with blinkers, I just prefer the RS. I'll openly admit it isn't as good technically, but I prefer it. Like I said, each to their own.
Perfectly seriously. I've never driven a French car with a gear change I liked. The RS isn't amazing, the IB5 Escorts have a nicer shift I think but there we are. I just didn't find the GTI-6 that precise, perhaps I drove a bad one.
It's all personal opinion. The 306 is quicker and handles better, but lacks in other areas for me. I've never liked the seating in any 306 I've been in, I just can't get that comfortable in them, I don't like the clutches (again, in any Pug/Cit I've driven), and I think the shoddy, unsupportive seats compared to the RS let it down.
I just prefer the feel of the Escort, the noise, interior, looks. We're all entitled to our own preferences
The grey 306 above looks nice, what are the wheels on it? Recognise them?
On the other foot, rust is a major problem now for the old Fords as has been said
20-09-2011, 11:19 AM
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weight doesn't matter so much as speed increases....
Cars have similar power. Focus actually has more.
So how can the RS2000 'obliterate' it.
Not saying the RS2000 isnt fast at all. I'm just saying you can't 'obliterate' a car with the same or less power than you at motorway speeds just by being a bit lighter.
20-09-2011, 11:46 AM
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Whoever was driving.... was NOT trying.
Its just physics....
Its mainly about power.
Gearing and weight and aero all play a part of course.
But this RS2000 could NOT have done it unless the Focus wasn't racing...
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20-09-2011, 11:55 AM
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the mk6 rs2k in question has a LOT less weight than the frs but same power so at motorway speed if they both floored it would the lighter car pull away quicker than the heavier one or am i talking bollox
20-09-2011, 12:25 PM
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No WAY could the RS2000 'obliterate' a Focus at motorway speed if both were trying in my opinion
20-09-2011, 01:01 PM
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It probably is quite a big weight difference to be fair. Gotta be 400kg, RS weighs nearly 1500kg doesn't it? RS2000 was a bit over 1100kg standard, so this one must be closer to 1000kg. It is a big difference.
However, gearing and aero will play a big part. Who knows, depends on the situation really.
However, gearing and aero will play a big part. Who knows, depends on the situation really.
20-09-2011, 04:21 PM
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Personally weight has sod all to do with it. Its how its puts the power down. 2 Different motors being a mk2 focus rs, claimed to be 305bhp standard and the other car being a mk6 rs2000 4x4 running a 2.3 turbo charged engine and again running 305bhp.
The person who owns the escort doesnt do things by halves and minirotty knows what his talking about when it comes to rs2000
Yes the mk2 rs is a very quick motor but you put it next to a 2.3 turbo charged rs2k 4x4 fully kitted out i think the 4x4 would win hands down, But would of been nice for a sneek video
The person who owns the escort doesnt do things by halves and minirotty knows what his talking about when it comes to rs2000
Yes the mk2 rs is a very quick motor but you put it next to a 2.3 turbo charged rs2k 4x4 fully kitted out i think the 4x4 would win hands down, But would of been nice for a sneek video
20-09-2011, 04:32 PM
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Personally weight has sod all to do with it. Its how its puts the power down. 2 Different motors being a mk2 focus rs, claimed to be 305bhp standard and the other car being a mk6 rs2000 4x4 running a 2.3 turbo charged engine and again running 305bhp.
The person who owns the escort doesnt do things by halves and minirotty knows what his talking about when it comes to rs2000
Yes the mk2 rs is a very quick motor but you put it next to a 2.3 turbo charged rs2k 4x4 fully kitted out i think the 4x4 would win hands down, But would of been nice for a sneek video
The person who owns the escort doesnt do things by halves and minirotty knows what his talking about when it comes to rs2000
Yes the mk2 rs is a very quick motor but you put it next to a 2.3 turbo charged rs2k 4x4 fully kitted out i think the 4x4 would win hands down, But would of been nice for a sneek video
Tony's motor isnt 4x4, its fwd
20-09-2011, 04:38 PM
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Personally weight has sod all to do with it. Its how its puts the power down. 2 Different motors being a mk2 focus rs, claimed to be 305bhp standard and the other car being a mk6 rs2000 4x4 running a 2.3 turbo charged engine and again running 305bhp.
The person who owns the escort doesnt do things by halves and minirotty knows what his talking about when it comes to rs2000
Yes the mk2 rs is a very quick motor but you put it next to a 2.3 turbo charged rs2k 4x4 fully kitted out i think the 4x4 would win hands down, But would of been nice for a sneek video
The person who owns the escort doesnt do things by halves and minirotty knows what his talking about when it comes to rs2000
Yes the mk2 rs is a very quick motor but you put it next to a 2.3 turbo charged rs2k 4x4 fully kitted out i think the 4x4 would win hands down, But would of been nice for a sneek video
it was motorway race in the dry. 4x4 Rs2000 would be slower NOT quicker than a FWD Rs2000 in this sitaution.
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20-09-2011, 04:40 PM
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Yeah, at those speeds, traction shouldn't be an issue. I believe the RS2000 makes really good power at all revs, as does the Focus, so it would be an interesting match for sure.
Hopefully we'll see some sprint times from the Escort in due course, it's still very much being developed.
Hopefully we'll see some sprint times from the Escort in due course, it's still very much being developed.
20-09-2011, 04:43 PM
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20-09-2011, 04:55 PM
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I love my 306.... Went from an M3 to one (Bought a house)
Was going to sell it once I had some spare cash.... Almost 3years later and 160k Its still here!!
Was going to sell it once I had some spare cash.... Almost 3years later and 160k Its still here!!
20-09-2011, 04:57 PM
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I know, hence my comment
The focus was not trying or was not driven properly in my opinion and also the laws of physics agree with me I think
The focus was not trying or was not driven properly in my opinion and also the laws of physics agree with me I think
20-09-2011, 06:43 PM
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Works and plays on track
Nobody will ever know how much the girl in the Focus was giving.
I know which I'd rather have but as to the 306 or RS2000.....
Just get a Clio FFS! Better than both of em.
I know which I'd rather have but as to the 306 or RS2000.....
Just get a Clio FFS! Better than both of em.
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20-09-2011, 06:49 PM
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but the mk6 is 305bhp per tonne the focus is 200bhp per tonne if it weighs 1500kg, that is a big power to weight difference and the mk6 is geared for 160+mph so what you are saying is that the focus is so slippery through the air that the extra 100bhp per tonne it has over the focus is wiped out.i stll cant get my head round that one
20-09-2011, 06:55 PM
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I owned an RS 2000 for 4 years, didn't really touch the engine, but did a couple of things to the chassis. APs - CP5200s and 330 rotors, 17" wheels, ATB diff and spax coilovers. The car was only 150 bhp, but its was an absolute back road weapon lol. Soo much fun to drive. With another 30bhp and 30lb/ft that car would have been perfect for me.
I had a pop at an S16 in mine (i know its less powerful than a GTi6) and there was nothing in it.
I like the looks of both cars, but i prefer the interior of the RS. If you want something to tune the GTi6 is the car for you as the engines are very good out of the box compared the the RS 2000 sierra lump :P
I don't think you'd really go wrong with either car to be honest.
I had a pop at an S16 in mine (i know its less powerful than a GTi6) and there was nothing in it.
I like the looks of both cars, but i prefer the interior of the RS. If you want something to tune the GTi6 is the car for you as the engines are very good out of the box compared the the RS 2000 sierra lump :P
I don't think you'd really go wrong with either car to be honest.
20-09-2011, 06:56 PM
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but the mk6 is 305bhp per tonne the focus is 200bhp per tonne if it weighs 1500kg, that is a big power to weight difference and the mk6 is geared for 160+mph so what you are saying is that the focus is so slippery through the air that the extra 100bhp per tonne it has over the focus is wiped out.i stll cant get my head round that one
20-09-2011, 07:09 PM
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it is stripped out hence the post earlier by someone else about it being over 400kg lighter than the focus or even 500 kg lighter,how much does the interior weigh and the carpets all sound proofing etc etc.it was built to go fast round a track and i know we are comparing modded against standard but i cant see why its so unbelievable that the mk6 smoked it
20-09-2011, 07:14 PM
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Ahh, i didn't see that post lol
I think its hard to believe that the escort 'smoked' the focus. The escort may have been faster, but saying it smoked the focus implies it left it for dead.
I think its hard to believe that the escort 'smoked' the focus. The escort may have been faster, but saying it smoked the focus implies it left it for dead.
20-09-2011, 07:41 PM
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it is stripped out hence the post earlier by someone else about it being over 400kg lighter than the focus or even 500 kg lighter,how much does the interior weigh and the carpets all sound proofing etc etc.it was built to go fast round a track and i know we are comparing modded against standard but i cant see why its so unbelievable that the mk6 smoked it
built to go fast around a track means nothing.
being a few hundred kilos lighter means nothing at 70mph!!!!!
its about POWER.
They had the same or the Focus had more.
THERE IS NO WAY THIS HAPPENED.
This 'obliteration' of the Focus is a plausable as Mo destroying a Gallardo.
THE GIRL WAS NOT TRYING OR WAS IN THE WRONG GEAR.... OR WAS NOT EVEN AWARE IT WAS A RACE!
Its just physics. 70mph+ races are about power and gearing and aero. Not power to weight unless you are talking about lorries!
Where is Rod when you need him!!!!!!!!!!! ROD HELP!
20-09-2011, 07:52 PM
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Brains of Britain on this thread isnt there lol!
Of course weight is goin have a contributing factor, even at speed.....someone ain't good with physics are they........ever driven with a full car of people, what happens to your performance
Tonys car could easily keep up an dick a MK2 FRS, my RS2000 4x4 was doing equal 0-60 times as the MK2 at Ford Fair last year with 185bhp.
Back on topic....test drove both an think about all expenditures then make your own mind up as it's your cash
Of course weight is goin have a contributing factor, even at speed.....someone ain't good with physics are they........ever driven with a full car of people, what happens to your performance
Tonys car could easily keep up an dick a MK2 FRS, my RS2000 4x4 was doing equal 0-60 times as the MK2 at Ford Fair last year with 185bhp.
Back on topic....test drove both an think about all expenditures then make your own mind up as it's your cash
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20-09-2011, 07:56 PM
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Brains of Britain on this thread isnt there lol!
Of course weight is goin have a contributing factor, even at speed.....someone ain't good with physics are they........ever driven with a full car of people, that adds DRAG
Tonys car could easily keep up an dick a MK2 FRS, my RS2000 4x4 was doing equal 0-60 times as the MK2 at Ford Fair last year with 185bhp.
Of course weight is goin have a contributing factor, even at speed.....someone ain't good with physics are they........ever driven with a full car of people, that adds DRAG
Tonys car could easily keep up an dick a MK2 FRS, my RS2000 4x4 was doing equal 0-60 times as the MK2 at Ford Fair last year with 185bhp.
Seriously.
Shocking.
people in your car adds DRAG????
and now we are talking 0-60's??? how is that relevant to this argument?
(0-60 IS WHERE POWER TO WEIGHT RATIOS AND GRIP ARE THE KEY FUCKING THINGS YOU NEEEED!!!!)
scary that you seem to think you are the clever one....
WOW
20-09-2011, 08:02 PM
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hahhah 'Goldbrainofbritainfinger' I see you have already edited your thread to try and look less of a fool.
TOOOO LATE.
I quoted....
TOOOO LATE.
I quoted....
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20-09-2011, 08:02 PM
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Drove a gti-6 and found the clutch unbelievably heavy. Might have been just that one though. I couldn't have used it as a daily as I'd have ended up with a leg like a tree trunk!
20-09-2011, 08:05 PM
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An you don't think weight would be a contributing factor when it comes down to in gear performance/acceleration?
305bhp and 320ish torque dragging 1500kg or 1000kg.....you really think the focus rs would win?
Standard 2wd weight 1124kg
305bhp and 320ish torque dragging 1500kg or 1000kg.....you really think the focus rs would win?
Standard 2wd weight 1124kg
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20-09-2011, 08:17 PM
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The Pug is a better looking car IMO, even just lowered slightly on the standard wheels look's clean.
Haven't driven either so can't comment on that, but I'd pick the 306.
The Pug is a better looking car IMO, even just lowered slightly on the standard wheels look's clean.
Haven't driven either so can't comment on that, but I'd pick the 306.
20-09-2011, 08:19 PM
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If your taking weight into account then for what it's worth you're forgetting that the Focus had about 60kgs of passengers and the Escort had about 180. Hasn't Vortex got a cage as well so it's not totally stripped.
20-09-2011, 08:35 PM
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bet you can't.
I think it would be close. Maybe the Escort may have slight edge because its lighter.
If you had read the thread.... THIS is the post I have a problem believing
obliterated? O RLY ?
and there is NO way the Escort weighed 1000kg either
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