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Unfortunatly a friend of mine has purchased 2 sets of these air injectors

The bodys are fine and have been copied from the original Motorsport application. However the Injectors them selves are not the right type and WILL NOT work for a long period of time if they work at all!

The Omh / resistance of the injectors are incorrect and should be avoided!

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iTrader: (1)

Easily remedied with a ballast resistor if you know what you are doing

Best save your cash anyway - Buy a boost controller !

Ginge !

simon ya mean a decent boost controller as the one i got seems to spike boost every now and again instead of keeping the 25psi that i want

im guessing i got another problem but cant see what it could be

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Ginge,
Reduce the gain setting if you have one.
Not too much as this will make the car laggy !!

Ginge !

ill just reit the amal valve as thats what it was doing before i fitted it so fook it

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Your missing my point Y do you have to pay even more money after buying a Ł300 item to start with!!! The injectors are for fuel and not for modded for air! They WILL fook up real soon! Correct me if im wrong?

ImaRacing 700

Alot of people used the fuel injectors...yes they dont last for that long...and there is no mod you can do to them.I sell the pukka Bosch air injectors

DaveEscos

how much are the injectors on their own phil? 2 of them please

Turbo lag

send me a price too phil.

Dave.

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Sorry Phil, you are partly wrong there.

Correcting an injectors resistance using a ballast resistor will work
in air control as the time pulses are short and do not need to be accurate.
This also protects the ecu driver stage.

A series resistor will reduce the current across an injector and it will
not burn out. As I have said before, the only draw back is this increases
the injectors pulse width accuracy as the voltage is reduced but this
will not affect air control as it is the duty cycle that dictates operation
and NOT the pulse width.
I do know a little bit about electronics !!!

ImaRacing 700

A fuel injector can only flow wet....to run it dry is not gonna give it a full life or no one would bother using more suitable ones.

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Bosch Man, Sorry, you are quite right there
I was thinking purely from an electrical point of view.

from you to me

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So whats the verdict ?? Ł300 for a shite set of injectors that are gonna fook up real soon

Stu @ M Developments

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So what type of injector are they Jano?

Part number will be helpfull and conclusive..........

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See the thing is... The injectors have sum silicon or glue covering the numbers up An attempt has been made to get the numbers off the side with a large knife but was unsuccesful

essexrsturbo

ive seen these and its crazy how they've tried covering it up

RWD_cossie_wil

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ebay shite strikes again can he not get his money back jano?? surley under the trade descriptions law he has been misled??

Stu @ M Developments

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So... how do you know they are not air injectors?

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He HAS tried!!!

The bloke who is selling the injectors is a complete cok. I will post a few of his emails telling my mate to F off and stop bothering him
(Great customer service skills )

I have found out that he has over 4 people who would like to chat with him in person so a road trip may be comming up very soon. I know of two users from this forum who are also having problems with the tuner/seller.

Stu, we both know the difference between the right and wrong injector!

We also know that a fuel injector is not ment for AIR! Along with the resistance being wrong! And the injector has not been modded.

+ why hide the injector number if its the right component. Its like covering up "200" on a yb block Why would you do it??

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Dude there is mods you can do to the std injectors but you end up in the same situation of reliablity and results. Its far better if you use the AIR injectors which were designed to do just that. Inject Air

Stu @ M Developments

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You would hide the part number if you came across a decent injector that does the job and you didnt want everyone copying it. Its simply protecting your R&D.


The "impedance" is wholly irrelevant as to wether it flows a gas or a liquid, and

I dont know what you mean by it not being modded as an air injector is dimensionally the same as a fuel version but with a different internal coil that doesnt require fuel to cool and lubricate it. Only a twat would do that fooking pintle mod ive seen done to fuel injectors cos they will still burn out anyway..lol

Dont think im having a dig Jano, im 100% not. I just dont want this chap whoever he is to be slated due to someones missinformation. Im not saying your wrong, im just saying you may not be right

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I didnt say that the resistance had any thing to do with the cooling or lubrication of the injector, also the mod can be done to certain injectors which do flow fuel but only a set type! This will be the same as the Air injector but cost less! I dont see why you would be a "twat" for using this type?? As for it burning out, it has the same life cycle as any air injector would have.

I have the modded type on my setup and has never caused any problem with reliabilty in the last 7 months thats not to say it wont, it just hasnt yet.... if it does lead to a failure in the modded injector i would still be happy for the amount of money it costs in comparison.

Regards

Stu @ M Developments

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Talk about ignoring my point...

Specific question:
How do you know these injectors are not "AIR" injectors if you do not know the part number?

ian sibbert

Are these the now famous red injectors?

Stu @ M Developments

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BTTT 4 Jano

Tony Turbo

Do they look like these???

Rs Gus

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rally spares strikes again

ImaRacing 700

Stu...i think that Bosch only ever did a B numbered proper air injector which was hugely expensive..may still be avalible...but i doubt the ones that Jano's mate has bought is them!!!!..The best are my ones that everyone is now using which are huge and for gas which is ideal for air..

Stu @ M Developments

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Yes Phil, and some folk are painting those new ones in colours other than BLUE

Hence you can probably now understand my line of questioning.....

Turbo lag

Phil any pictures and how much bigger are they ?

Dave.


PS are they blue ?

Stu @ M Developments

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The injector is teh same size as any other "150" injector Dave. We keep them in stock and they are Blue yes, as i said in the post above yours

ian sibbert

Phil,

Original ford motosport air injectors bore the part no. B280 411 223/1 V4251.

In the past we have tried to obtain these and I was told the were discontinued...

3 weeks ago we did some extensive tests with the air injectors we have been producing with your injectors with no difference between the copies and the boreham originals.

Hope this helps..

These red ones have been on e-bay for some time...

Regards

Ian