95 - 105 in a 60 - what can I expect? *UPDATE - NIP THROUGH*
#81
Thought I would give an update on this.
Managed to make it to day 13 since 'the offence' and the dreaded notice of intended prosecution has hit my doormat.
The offence in question..........
105mph in a 60mph limit
The case is going to be dealt with by a court appearance which basically means I am fucked as I'm right in the deep end of that 'worst case scenario' I'd predicted.
I've got 28 days to fill out and return the sheet asking to identify who was driving - should I be seeking out a good lawyer now or after I've sent it back? What sort of timescales am I looking at for a court date and if anyone else has any little gems of wisdom I would appreciate it about now!!!
Managed to make it to day 13 since 'the offence' and the dreaded notice of intended prosecution has hit my doormat.
The offence in question..........
105mph in a 60mph limit
The case is going to be dealt with by a court appearance which basically means I am fucked as I'm right in the deep end of that 'worst case scenario' I'd predicted.
I've got 28 days to fill out and return the sheet asking to identify who was driving - should I be seeking out a good lawyer now or after I've sent it back? What sort of timescales am I looking at for a court date and if anyone else has any little gems of wisdom I would appreciate it about now!!!
Dont you know any smackheads who have a license there not bothered about?
#84
Is the car insured for more than one driver..?
Does anyone else use the car on their insurance..?
If so you need to request the photo evidence as you have no way of knowing who was driving at any given time...
The Police have to prove who it was mate.
I wouldnt roll over until you have to.
Worked for me and my brother in the past.
Seem to remember it times out in 6 months...
Reply to it in 25 days.....
String it out...
Photo.
Does anyone else use the car on their insurance..?
If so you need to request the photo evidence as you have no way of knowing who was driving at any given time...
The Police have to prove who it was mate.
I wouldnt roll over until you have to.
Worked for me and my brother in the past.
Seem to remember it times out in 6 months...
Reply to it in 25 days.....
String it out...
Photo.
#85
they changed the law because so many people were doing this now if you dont name the driver at the time of the offence the registered owner cops it!
#86
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Only me and the missus on the insurance.
Absolutely no way would I ask her to take the fine/points/ban on my behalf. She drives as well and needs her licence for work so that's a non-starter as has already been explained in the first page of the thread I think.
I'm not looking to wriggle out of the charge, I've done it and I'm just going to accept it. Just looking for people to share their experiences of 'proper' speeding offences and court appearances now so I can try and figure out what sort of treatment I can expect.
Unfortunately being in the forces I'm not really on a shit wage but then I will also be punished again by the RAF for bringing them into disrepute - with the current political climate and the time I have left in that's effectively the end of my career as there's no way they'll keep me in for any longer than I currently have.
Absolutely no way would I ask her to take the fine/points/ban on my behalf. She drives as well and needs her licence for work so that's a non-starter as has already been explained in the first page of the thread I think.
I'm not looking to wriggle out of the charge, I've done it and I'm just going to accept it. Just looking for people to share their experiences of 'proper' speeding offences and court appearances now so I can try and figure out what sort of treatment I can expect.
Unfortunately being in the forces I'm not really on a shit wage but then I will also be punished again by the RAF for bringing them into disrepute - with the current political climate and the time I have left in that's effectively the end of my career as there's no way they'll keep me in for any longer than I currently have.
#87
Unfortunately being in the forces I'm not really on a shit wage but then I will also be punished again by the RAF for bringing them into disrepute - with the current political climate and the time I have left in that's effectively the end of my career as there's no way they'll keep me in for any longer than I currently have.
Its like being back at school.
#88
Can you not just say as you had the car up for sale? It could of been someone on a test drive
I know this sounds stupid but it actually worked for me once when the police did turn up.There was one or two of us pissing about on a ZZR1100 and it was on ebay at the time.Thats what I told them too.It was left at that .
I know this sounds stupid but it actually worked for me once when the police did turn up.There was one or two of us pissing about on a ZZR1100 and it was on ebay at the time.Thats what I told them too.It was left at that .
#92
It really makes me cringe when people like this and MO post.
The only thing to do is to attend court, be sincere and apologetic and hope for the best.
#93
#95
#97
I'm not saying this to avoid it, because as you know, you did the crime and are quite prepared to take the punishment. However, if your promotion is imminent, there are several delaying tactics you could use so that you get the promotion BEFORE you go to court. It took 18 months for my "roundabout" incident to go to court.....
However, I am 99% sure that you will be banned.....
However, I am 99% sure that you will be banned.....
#98
Might still be better than what he will get for 105 in a 60 though!
http://www.motordefenceteam.co.uk/of...de-details.htm
Problem is, given that you have already stated publically that you DID know who was driving (yourself) if the court gets wind of that then instead of getting done for failure to notify then you will get done for perverting the course of justice and you REALLY dont want that! (punishable by up to 14 years in prison.)
Last edited by Chip; 19-05-2011 at 09:00 AM.
#99
when i got caught my solicitor said they have guidlines on what they give per conviction and i was told they will already have some sort of idea whats gonna happen before i went in
this aint 40 in a 30
its over a tone in a 60 bit different and they will take that into great consideration
so think about it before you open your trap
#100
However, I have now been told to keep a diary of who drives my car and when, which of course I do.
Benni
#101
A diary of who drives your car and when can of course ironnically can confuse matters even more.
Lets say for example I have two people "bill" and "ben" come round to view my car that is for sale, bill is ben's friend and is a "car expert" brought along to look at the car that ben is interested in driving, not an unusual situation.
It might be that both of them want to drive the car, and as I have trade insurance with "accompanied test drive" on it I am of course happy to oblige.
I keep notes of who drives and when they do as each goes on a testdrive with me as passenger and all seems to be fine and well recorded etc.
UNTIL
Speed camera catches one of them at 12:17pm
I check my notes about who was driving.
12:10-12:15pm it is down as Ben
12:20-12:25pm it is down as Bill
In court I would have to say that despite my detailed notes on who was driving the car, due to a timing innaccuracy between my watch and the time on the speed camera, I am unable to say who was driving, as according to my paperwork from 12:15-12:20 the car wasnt being driven at all, that was when the drivers were changing over.
Lets say for example I have two people "bill" and "ben" come round to view my car that is for sale, bill is ben's friend and is a "car expert" brought along to look at the car that ben is interested in driving, not an unusual situation.
It might be that both of them want to drive the car, and as I have trade insurance with "accompanied test drive" on it I am of course happy to oblige.
I keep notes of who drives and when they do as each goes on a testdrive with me as passenger and all seems to be fine and well recorded etc.
UNTIL
Speed camera catches one of them at 12:17pm
I check my notes about who was driving.
12:10-12:15pm it is down as Ben
12:20-12:25pm it is down as Bill
In court I would have to say that despite my detailed notes on who was driving the car, due to a timing innaccuracy between my watch and the time on the speed camera, I am unable to say who was driving, as according to my paperwork from 12:15-12:20 the car wasnt being driven at all, that was when the drivers were changing over.
Last edited by Chip; 19-05-2011 at 10:00 AM.
#102
shut up you prat
when i got caught my solicitor said they have guidlines on what they give per conviction and i was told they will already have some sort of idea whats gonna happen before i went in
this aint 40 in a 30
its over a tone in a 60 bit different and they will take that into great consideration
so think about it before you open your trap
when i got caught my solicitor said they have guidlines on what they give per conviction and i was told they will already have some sort of idea whats gonna happen before i went in
this aint 40 in a 30
its over a tone in a 60 bit different and they will take that into great consideration
so think about it before you open your trap
They do not have to stick to these guidelies as it all depends on the plea of the party and the financial status etc. They are exactly what they say they are GUIDELINES!!!!!!
Also it is TON and not TONE, guidelines not guidlines and I not i. If you are unsure of how to spell what you are writing can I suggest using a spell checker.
Have a nice day.
Jeff
#103
I really do think you need to engage brain before opening gob/operating keyboard.
They do not have to stick to these guidelies as it all depends on the plea of the party and the financial status etc. They are exactly what they say they are GUIDELINES!!!!!!
Also it is TON and not TONE, guidelines not guidlines and I not i. If you are unsure of how to spell what you are writing can I suggest using a spell checker.
Have a nice day.
Jeff
They do not have to stick to these guidelies as it all depends on the plea of the party and the financial status etc. They are exactly what they say they are GUIDELINES!!!!!!
Also it is TON and not TONE, guidelines not guidlines and I not i. If you are unsure of how to spell what you are writing can I suggest using a spell checker.
Have a nice day.
Jeff
he is getting a ban end of
and as i have already stated all ive wrote on this thread is down to personal experience
have you ever been charged with big speeding
#104
v man, dont think that your personal experience will automatically be relevent to others, magistrates courts are incredibally poor at parity of justice in the first place, and if you happen to come accross differently in court to how the OP would (which I suspect you might based on this thread where you come across as a bit of a wideboy jack the lad character with a bit of a mouth and the OP comes across as a disciplined and well spoken serviceman) then even in the same court you could be treated differently.
#105
v man, dont think that your personal experience will automatically be relevent to others, magistrates courts are incredibally poor at parity of justice in the first place, and if you happen to come accross differently in court to how the OP would (which I suspect you might based on this thread where you come across as a bit of a wideboy jack the lad character with a bit of a mouth and the OP comes across as a disciplined and well spoken serviceman) then even in the same court you could be treated differently.
but trust me im not lol
and i never once said that this is what happened to me so your getting the same
and i know each court is different and they are poor as you put it
i only put down what happened to me so the op could get some sort of idea what happened to me
160+ in a 70
and trust me if you was to meet me then you would change your opinion on me as you have never met me before
just dont think its worth suger coating it for the op thats all
servicman or not
repeated offence he is looking at a ban
#106
Wasnt making a judgement on what you are actually like in real life, was just saying how it would appear from this thread, by way of an example of how a court will make a quick decision in a few minutes (or less) too on what they think of your character.
#107
because when i went to court i took written letters from the chief constable of bedford police station as a character ref
but made no difference lol
but not everyone is as unlucky as me lol
and ive never been in trouble with the law in anyway what so ever before
anyway lets not make this thread about my miss fortune ah
Last edited by v man; 19-05-2011 at 10:53 AM.
#108
A diary of who drives your car and when can of course ironnically can confuse matters even more.
Lets say for example I have two people "bill" and "ben" come round to view my car that is for sale, bill is ben's friend and is a "car expert" brought along to look at the car that ben is interested in driving, not an unusual situation.
It might be that both of them want to drive the car, and as I have trade insurance with "accompanied test drive" on it I am of course happy to oblige.
I keep notes of who drives and when they do as each goes on a testdrive with me as passenger and all seems to be fine and well recorded etc.
UNTIL
Speed camera catches one of them at 12:17pm
I check my notes about who was driving.
12:10-12:15pm it is down as Ben
12:20-12:25pm it is down as Bill
In court I would have to say that despite my detailed notes on who was driving the car, due to a timing innaccuracy between my watch and the time on the speed camera, I am unable to say who was driving, as according to my paperwork from 12:15-12:20 the car wasnt being driven at all, that was when the drivers were changing over.
Lets say for example I have two people "bill" and "ben" come round to view my car that is for sale, bill is ben's friend and is a "car expert" brought along to look at the car that ben is interested in driving, not an unusual situation.
It might be that both of them want to drive the car, and as I have trade insurance with "accompanied test drive" on it I am of course happy to oblige.
I keep notes of who drives and when they do as each goes on a testdrive with me as passenger and all seems to be fine and well recorded etc.
UNTIL
Speed camera catches one of them at 12:17pm
I check my notes about who was driving.
12:10-12:15pm it is down as Ben
12:20-12:25pm it is down as Bill
In court I would have to say that despite my detailed notes on who was driving the car, due to a timing innaccuracy between my watch and the time on the speed camera, I am unable to say who was driving, as according to my paperwork from 12:15-12:20 the car wasnt being driven at all, that was when the drivers were changing over.
If it was a forward facing camera, then they may decide to proceed based on how good the photo was.
Should the camera be from behind and unable to identify the driver, then they would probably drop the case. We have had this on two seperate occasions with company vehicles, when presented with this evidence and it has been dropped.....
#109
From a getting a prosecution point of view the problem is that you have done everything they have asked, and yet they still have nothing to go on unless they get lucky on the pictures
From a being the person who owns the car point of view, no problem at all
Indeed, Ive had similar dropped as well as unfortunately even with my upmost co-operation me and the cps/police were unable to uniquely identify the driver so unfortunately they got away with it
From a being the person who owns the car point of view, no problem at all
You haven't failed to provide - it is then up to them to prove who was driving from the photographic evidence....
If it was a forward facing camera, then they may decide to proceed based on how good the photo was.
Should the camera be from behind and unable to identify the driver, then they would probably drop the case. We have had this on two seperate occasions with company vehicles, when presented with this evidence and it has been dropped.....
If it was a forward facing camera, then they may decide to proceed based on how good the photo was.
Should the camera be from behind and unable to identify the driver, then they would probably drop the case. We have had this on two seperate occasions with company vehicles, when presented with this evidence and it has been dropped.....
#110
From a getting a prosecution point of view the problem is that you have done everything they have asked, and yet they still have nothing to go on unless they get lucky on the pictures
From a being the person who owns the car point of view, no problem at all
Indeed, Ive had similar dropped as well as unfortunately even with my upmost co-operation me and the cps/police were unable to uniquely identify the driver so unfortunately they got away with it
From a being the person who owns the car point of view, no problem at all
Indeed, Ive had similar dropped as well as unfortunately even with my upmost co-operation me and the cps/police were unable to uniquely identify the driver so unfortunately they got away with it
#111
You'll still have to send it back.
You'll have to plead guilty and you'll be asked when you appear at court what your plea is again.
It's very important you don't change your plea.
Just go along with it, take it on the chin be honest and apologetic....
Dress smart and hope for a good judge.
Good luck it'll not be as bad as what you think
You'll have to plead guilty and you'll be asked when you appear at court what your plea is again.
It's very important you don't change your plea.
Just go along with it, take it on the chin be honest and apologetic....
Dress smart and hope for a good judge.
Good luck it'll not be as bad as what you think
Good luck pal and i will keep an eye on your situation
Last edited by saffsta; 19-05-2011 at 01:39 PM.
#112
Nope never been done for big speeding but even if I had it wouldnt make the expert that you seem to think you are.
More to the point I certainly wouldnt be acting the big man and generally being a cock to everyone that says something you dont like.
I agree that it is likely to be a ban of a some sort but the best thing the OP can do is seek PROPER legal advise and not rely on second hand from people who may or may not know what they are saying
#113
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Nope never been done for big speeding but even if I had it wouldnt make the expert that you seem to think you are.
More to the point I certainly wouldnt be acting the big man and generally being a cock to everyone that says something you dont like.
I agree that it is likely to be a ban of a some sort but the best thing the OP can do is seek PROPER legal advise and not rely on second hand from people who may or may not know what they are saying
Nope never been done for big speeding but even if I had it wouldnt make the expert that you seem to think you are.
More to the point I certainly wouldnt be acting the big man and generally being a cock to everyone that says something you dont like.
I agree that it is likely to be a ban of a some sort but the best thing the OP can do is seek PROPER legal advise and not rely on second hand from people who may or may not know what they are saying
what ever i have posted is down to personal experience
and not once have i said iam an expert
and as for being a cock you where the one to start the negative comments toward me
dont get me wrong if i think your a bellend for that then i will tell you
and i have on more than one occasion and you can feel free to check,
have told the op to get good legal help and advise
so i dont really get where your comming from
and i asked if you have ever been charged with big speeding to see what your personl experience was in court as it may have helped the op if you had
Last edited by v man; 19-05-2011 at 12:05 PM.
#115
#116
bloke rear ended me years ago and even though i prooved that it was his fault beyond a shadow of a doubt, the judge still said it was my fault for doing 40 mph in a 50 zone even when he admited he was slowing down because there was a speed camera ahead AND that he's seen me through 50 feet of conctret as he went under the underpass
have your say in a proper court, the other types are just glorified monekys who like to dish out tough fines to your average joe and let off proper crims with £1 a week payments
have your say in a proper court, the other types are just glorified monekys who like to dish out tough fines to your average joe and let off proper crims with £1 a week payments
#117
Only me and the missus on the insurance.
Absolutely no way would I ask her to take the fine/points/ban on my behalf. She drives as well and needs her licence for work so that's a non-starter as has already been explained in the first page of the thread I think.
I'm not looking to wriggle out of the charge, I've done it and I'm just going to accept it. Just looking for people to share their experiences of 'proper' speeding offences and court appearances now so I can try and figure out what sort of treatment I can expect.
Unfortunately being in the forces I'm not really on a shit wage but then I will also be punished again by the RAF for bringing them into disrepute - with the current political climate and the time I have left in that's effectively the end of my career as there's no way they'll keep me in for any longer than I currently have.
Absolutely no way would I ask her to take the fine/points/ban on my behalf. She drives as well and needs her licence for work so that's a non-starter as has already been explained in the first page of the thread I think.
I'm not looking to wriggle out of the charge, I've done it and I'm just going to accept it. Just looking for people to share their experiences of 'proper' speeding offences and court appearances now so I can try and figure out what sort of treatment I can expect.
Unfortunately being in the forces I'm not really on a shit wage but then I will also be punished again by the RAF for bringing them into disrepute - with the current political climate and the time I have left in that's effectively the end of my career as there's no way they'll keep me in for any longer than I currently have.
If it were me, I would present myself at court, plead guilty but then use mitigation. How is your service record, if exemplary then use it to your advantage. If a ban will genuinely affect your employment or future promotion prospects, then tell the magistrates.
Personally, I wouldn't bother with a solicitor as most are useless and you will have to pay for their expert advice. Good luck with it though mate.
#118
I would be very surprised if the Police have a photograph of the offence as proof that will identify the driver.
105 mph.... Gonna be a blur if you ask me..!
I would be asking for the photo as I can't remember if it was me or the wife using the car that day.
Get a copy of the photo and take it from there.
105 mph.... Gonna be a blur if you ask me..!
I would be asking for the photo as I can't remember if it was me or the wife using the car that day.
Get a copy of the photo and take it from there.
#120
Just out of interest for you guys that have been banned..
When you got your license back how did if effect your insurance? I presume 5 years of bum rape from the ins companies? But how much does it go uo, say you're paying £800 does it double, do some ins companies refuse to insure you?
When you got your license back how did if effect your insurance? I presume 5 years of bum rape from the ins companies? But how much does it go uo, say you're paying £800 does it double, do some ins companies refuse to insure you?
My insurance went up £100 PA as the insurance companies only recognised bans minimum of 28 days.
It stayed on my licence for 4 years but I had to declare it to insurance companies for 5
I paid the punishment in insurance premiums for the 4 years after my fine!