De-catting!? (Stu, Karl, Mr C. etc)
08-02-2005, 10:27 AM
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De-catting!? (Stu, Karl, Mr C. etc)
If i put a full stainless zorst on n& de-cat the thing @ the same time & add a cone filter is this gunna fuck up my fueling!?
Aint worried about MOT & emisions only worried about how it will effect the enigne!
Aint worried about MOT & emisions only worried about how it will effect the enigne!
08-02-2005, 10:48 AM
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If you get an AFC-II, it will give you all the adjustment you need at the sort of power you are looking to run, taking into account the De-Cat. We can extract around 15-20bhp from a low-spec S14 by using one of those and it will deal with larger Injectors when the time comes too. 
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08-02-2005, 10:54 AM
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I was talkin about more power!
I was tryin to say if i whacked them on there woudl i need to get the car tinkered with to stop it over/under fueling!?
Mr C
If i went decat, air filter, intercooler & then this AFC-II i asume that will give me the power I am lookin for!? & be safe!? i.e clutch, head gasket, turbo, bottom end etc can take that!?
I was tryin to say if i whacked them on there woudl i need to get the car tinkered with to stop it over/under fueling!?
Mr C
If i went decat, air filter, intercooler & then this AFC-II i asume that will give me the power I am lookin for!? & be safe!? i.e clutch, head gasket, turbo, bottom end etc can take that!?
08-02-2005, 11:02 AM
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in that case mr c says you need an AFC 2
apexi bag of toys, lets you control your own fueling
wouldnt let lewis on that badboy
i would have thought just for a decat exhaust and airfilter the cars stock air flow and lambda sensors will be able to cope with the change !
apexi bag of toys, lets you control your own fueling
wouldnt let lewis on that badboy
i would have thought just for a decat exhaust and airfilter the cars stock air flow and lambda sensors will be able to cope with the change !
08-02-2005, 11:12 AM
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Lewis, that spec would be fine. Are you thinking of an FMIC? If so, we can get an absolutely SUPERB Greddy kit for really sensible money. We have just fitted one, its unbelieveable for the money. (around £525).
The Standard set-up will be OK, but with low'ish boost. I can't say for certain that the clutch will be OK, if it is in good condition then it will be fine.
To get to 300bhp, you would also need to consider the exhaust, not just the De-Cat.
Good salesman aren't I???
The Standard set-up will be OK, but with low'ish boost. I can't say for certain that the clutch will be OK, if it is in good condition then it will be fine.
To get to 300bhp, you would also need to consider the exhaust, not just the De-Cat.
Good salesman aren't I???
08-02-2005, 11:16 AM
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How much is this AFC 2 thingy then!? does it allow u to run more boost aswell!?
The Standard Injectors should get to high 200's, but they will be flat-out at that.
Once you have the appropriate mods, you could get to 350bhp on an AFC-II.
08-02-2005, 11:27 AM
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Ok Mr C let me run through what i think i need after reading what u have just put
Full stainless zorst with decats
air filter
fmic
AFC-2
Biger injectors
that should give me 300hp!?
would i need qa boost controller"!?
Full stainless zorst with decats
air filter
fmic
AFC-2
Biger injectors
that should give me 300hp!?
would i need qa boost controller"!?
08-02-2005, 11:46 AM
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well maybe not a boost controller
its like a unichip
it interupts the sensor signals to the ecu giving the ecu false info
if done wrong can be very bad news
its like a unichip
it interupts the sensor signals to the ecu giving the ecu false info
if done wrong can be very bad news
08-02-2005, 01:02 PM
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Removing CAT dont affect a S14a car in a bad way, emmisions are still remarkably low without it but not enough to pass MOT, but our MOT tester dont check emissions
With a full turbo back zorst the car is a LOT better, revs to 7k+ easy rather than dying out about 5k
We fitted a hooj Ramair Cossie "GrpA" one to mates S14a, thanks to the dudes at Forge knocking up a AFM mounting plate easy.
Can run 15psi (or somtimes just under) on std chip/inj/pump no bother. We did it with an uprated actuator, a Forge cossie one infact that we made fit
but some form of boost controller (IMO turbosmart E-Boost) is a good bet.
Std intercooler is shockingly poor, esp at 15psi, so FMIC is a must IMO.
All the above makes a gooooood car and a genuine 280+ on a good one
Also ran a Forge twin piston dumper (direct replacment for std one, a cossie one etc wont fit, but forge one damn sight cheaper than jap ripoff ones, but they chatter REALLY good if you bin the std dumper so id do that tho theyl still chatter with the forge dumper fitted as its got a dead strong spring so not open for long)
Dont worry about head gasket, they strong, its det that kills gaskets mainly so if its mapped right youl be fine.
If you want to run the fuel controller and bigger inj then go for it, providing your inj are top feeds then il sell you 4 444cc inj GTR injectors for 50quid (they often fitted to SXs, cant remember if its S14a's tho!)
With a full turbo back zorst the car is a LOT better, revs to 7k+ easy rather than dying out about 5k
We fitted a hooj Ramair Cossie "GrpA" one to mates S14a, thanks to the dudes at Forge knocking up a AFM mounting plate easy.
Can run 15psi (or somtimes just under) on std chip/inj/pump no bother. We did it with an uprated actuator, a Forge cossie one infact that we made fit
but some form of boost controller (IMO turbosmart E-Boost) is a good bet.Std intercooler is shockingly poor, esp at 15psi, so FMIC is a must IMO.
All the above makes a gooooood car and a genuine 280+ on a good one
Also ran a Forge twin piston dumper (direct replacment for std one, a cossie one etc wont fit, but forge one damn sight cheaper than jap ripoff ones, but they chatter REALLY good if you bin the std dumper so id do that
tho theyl still chatter with the forge dumper fitted as its got a dead strong spring so not open for long)Dont worry about head gasket, they strong, its det that kills gaskets mainly so if its mapped right youl be fine.
If you want to run the fuel controller and bigger inj then go for it, providing your inj are top feeds then il sell you 4 444cc inj GTR injectors for 50quid
(they often fitted to SXs, cant remember if its S14a's tho!)
08-02-2005, 01:08 PM
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If you want to run the fuel controller and bigger inj then go for it, providing your inj are top feeds then il sell you 4 444cc inj GTR injectors for 50quid (they often fitted to SXs, cant remember if its S14a's tho!)
Ste I WAS GUNNA FIT MY GRP a CONE TO THE CAR IF i CALL FORGE WILL THEY KNOW WHAT DO 2!?
Dump valve!?
I aint no poof! chatter baby! 
08-02-2005, 01:17 PM
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Yea, the Ramair GrpA cone is same size as K+N so no prob.
They just had the car for an hour or so and knocked up a bracket thing to replace the alloy trumpet so the fuckoff filter bolted (4bolts) to the AFM.
Dont know if theyl remember but worth asking as they did it before.
Wouldnt take a genius to knock one up yourself anyhow really.
Well worth it tho, sounded the bollocks
Deffo uprated clutch time too with the spec, at about 280bhp the clutches dont last the severe canings youl want to give it
In my experience of tuned S14a's theya breath of fresh air compared to cossies too as you can hammer the fuck outa them and not have to worry about stuff going wrong, lol.
They just had the car for an hour or so and knocked up a bracket thing to replace the alloy trumpet so the fuckoff filter bolted (4bolts) to the AFM.
Dont know if theyl remember but worth asking as they did it before.
Wouldnt take a genius to knock one up yourself anyhow really.
Well worth it tho, sounded the bollocks
Deffo uprated clutch time too with the spec, at about 280bhp the clutches dont last the severe canings youl want to give it
In my experience of tuned S14a's theya breath of fresh air compared to cossies too as you can hammer the fuck outa them and not have to worry about stuff going wrong, lol.
08-02-2005, 01:55 PM
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he finally has some points cheeky bastard especially the way he drives
Yea he wants to come!
H 825 BTT
How mcuh u givin me it for it!? u owe me ££0 already so give me £100 & u can take her away! as there is 4 od months tax on it & u can have the cd player & infintys!
08-02-2005, 02:04 PM
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Your list looks good.
Pretty much as Steve says really. Good spec for circa 350bhp would be :-
GT Series Ball Bearing Turbo (around £675)
FMIC (around £525)
550cc Injectors (around £350)
Z32 AFM
Apexi Induction Kit (Direct Fit)
Apexi S-AFC-II (Properly set up - around £250 or £500 Fitted/Mapped)
Boost Controller (Profec-B Spec 2?)
HKS Metal Head Gasket (around £200)
Full Exhaust (Mongoose/Apexi)
Exedy Paddle Clutch with Lightened Flywheel
Thats what you should aim for IMO. If you want to do it gradually, then go for the Exhaust, Filter, S-AFC, FMIC first, then add the rest later. This would get you to high 200's. Once you add the remaining bits, the S-AFC will need re-mapping a bit.
Here's some more help for ya......
Sometimes the car will decide when it wants upgrading, for example they are notorious for the Turbo Gaskets blowing. We are among only a few people that will take them on for 'Realistic' money at £160 labour. Obviously, that is taking Turbo off completely. At this point you need to decide if you want to pay £160 + Gaskets to remove and refit your Turbo or if you want to fit a 'Proper' Blower.
Clutch, when it comes to it, it just over £300 for an Exedy Paddle. We charge £130 to fit it. You really should consider a Flywheel at this time.
We are a Tein Main Dealer. They are the absolute business as far as suspension goes and reasonable money. You should consider those too. Top spec is 'Type Flex' Coilovers with an 'Electronic Damping Force Adjuster'. This allows adjustment of the Damping Rates from inside the car (a device that looks like a Turbo Timer). Even at this high level of spec, the kit is not stupid money. They do simpler kits too.
Hope this helps.
Pretty much as Steve says really. Good spec for circa 350bhp would be :-
GT Series Ball Bearing Turbo (around £675)
FMIC (around £525)
550cc Injectors (around £350)
Z32 AFM
Apexi Induction Kit (Direct Fit)
Apexi S-AFC-II (Properly set up - around £250 or £500 Fitted/Mapped)
Boost Controller (Profec-B Spec 2?)
HKS Metal Head Gasket (around £200)
Full Exhaust (Mongoose/Apexi)
Exedy Paddle Clutch with Lightened Flywheel
Thats what you should aim for IMO. If you want to do it gradually, then go for the Exhaust, Filter, S-AFC, FMIC first, then add the rest later. This would get you to high 200's. Once you add the remaining bits, the S-AFC will need re-mapping a bit.
Here's some more help for ya......
Sometimes the car will decide when it wants upgrading, for example they are notorious for the Turbo Gaskets blowing. We are among only a few people that will take them on for 'Realistic' money at £160 labour. Obviously, that is taking Turbo off completely. At this point you need to decide if you want to pay £160 + Gaskets to remove and refit your Turbo or if you want to fit a 'Proper' Blower.
Clutch, when it comes to it, it just over £300 for an Exedy Paddle. We charge £130 to fit it. You really should consider a Flywheel at this time.
We are a Tein Main Dealer. They are the absolute business as far as suspension goes and reasonable money. You should consider those too. Top spec is 'Type Flex' Coilovers with an 'Electronic Damping Force Adjuster'. This allows adjustment of the Damping Rates from inside the car (a device that looks like a Turbo Timer). Even at this high level of spec, the kit is not stupid money. They do simpler kits too.
Hope this helps.
08-02-2005, 02:13 PM
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cheers Mr C.!
I wont need nowt fitting but deffo settin up!
I wanna do it bit @ a time engine wise so i dont get bord of the power!
Will the above injectors Ste has work with the car!?
I wont need nowt fitting but deffo settin up!
I wanna do it bit @ a time engine wise so i dont get bord of the power!
Will the above injectors Ste has work with the car!?
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