Andy-R

We could go round and round in circles for ages arguing the toss! As I've mentioned above its down to individuals definition/interpritation of the word "Custom".

The whole point of my initial post was to get the point across that there is indeed more that 1 spec of newman cam for the RST.....a point I now believe to be clear.

As Christian has pointed out there is however only 1 cam available direct to the General Public....so thats Christians point which Is also clear.

I dont believe carrying on debating the ins and outs the definitions of words terms etc will get us anywhere nor serve any purpose so Im reluctant to post further.

Anonymous

Karl offers a cam spec for the engine not AN NMS cam meaning 1...

Oli has had 3 NMS cams LOL......

TO which we need to examine the effects at top speed over aerodynamnics of an S1 with no front end grill.

Think you will find Tony that oli's car is better than most if not all CVH cars to 150mph

Anonymous

Oh and if you go on about RST top speed.....

Think oli's has it for a S1......as there are TWO ERST's available. LOL

RichardPON

So I can walk into Newman, and tell them I want a cam for my cossie. I tell them the bore, the stroke, the CR, the turbo, the rev ceiling etc, and they will be able to spec the best cam for the application?

Surely then they just make a cam as instructed?

FFS, if a cam is ground from a blank to the spec given by someone else, then it's a custom cam. If it's reprofiled, it's also custom.

What is important is YOU as a member of the public cannot give the cam manufacturer a spec and expect THEM to find the cam to suit YOU.

If that was the case, then they'd have to have a ridiculous in-depth knowledge of every car on the planet.

Anonymous

When asking for a cam u ask for the spec

BUT you also need to be able to match that spec to an engine and time it in....

Somert people don't seem able to do

No offence to C&B's car but on track it was a moving obsticle even down the straight, oli's how ever is not, his car pulls out of bends like a RWD car....
Could be the 1.9 i guess and the cam design, but its horses for corses IMHO...

WHAT do you want the car for...top speed that u can never achieve unless at brunters or a car that is a surprise and weapn on the road and track.

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

Dingy, my car was no more a moving obstacle than yours was. Get your head out of Oli's arse will you.

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

So, in total summary to this argument about definition of the word 'Custom'. We have learnt this evening that there are many interpretations of the word 'Custom', but each definition is relevant to its context.

We know that an item that was created outside of what could be considered to be 'Normal' parameters can be termed as Custom.

The context of the discussion from which this argument arose was 'Who can supply a Custom Cam for an RS Turbo'. I will let each of you conclude who you would approach for the answer to such a question and therefore the answer as to the definition of the word 'Custom' in this particular context.

I can tell you, if asked, my answer WOULD NOT be Newman.

Anonymous

Funny how i followed you on track for a lap C&B

Worse driving ever

My obsticle was the fact my box was rack was fucked.....

Anonymous

Custom means a cam that is spec'd by customer....

Why is that difficult to understand.

Anonymous

AND C&B i helped build the car, so i am interested in it has nothing to do with oli's ass....rachel has that under cover at the mo

Ginge !

ollies car did fooking fly on track though, looked well rapid imo !!!

as for the top speeds ect i aint got a clue as all cars looked slow on the straights

the A1 escort and paul bailey cars looked fooking quickm BUT they sounded loud too so that may affect my judgement

oh and i think christian dod fooking well at national day to get his car on track as he had his engine apart the day before sorting out a issue with it ( whch he sorted !)

gotta give him that

btw a red S1 turbo with the reg BIG BHP and black wheels stripped out and caged aint ever gonna be classes as a sleeper

its a awesome car though

AndyRST

Yeah we forgot your a "real Motorsport person"

Ginge !

christian aint a track driver though is he , dingy if ya not a race car driver ( him racing james raby dont count btw ) then hes not gonna be ask fast , no offence christian btw but he cant launch as well as others either from what ive been told ( no one was coonting ya off though, just thinking what a difference a good launch could do thats all )

best example i can think off is my 350bhp cossie, very very fast BUT i cant seem to beat cars that i should beat, why is that , its cause im a shite driver !!!!!

Anonymous

B19BAL i reckon brads RST 190bhp van would have done C&B on track....w

Anonymous

pissed up post LOL....haunt's me for ever.....i agree what a total cock...

Least the above posts were the truth

Ginge !

i heard beccy was gonna stick on some roller skates adn get christian to follow her and show him the racing lines

philipeddowes

Dingy at long last we do agree on something
I think your a total cock too
PMLOL

Andy-R

Your arse! The context of the discussion arose as a result of your statement below!


It was then pointed out that there are more than 'ONE' Custom Cam.

Where do you get 'Who can supply a Custom Cam for an RS Turbo' did you edit your post and delete the question

DaveEscos

dingy, you are a 100% cock get your head out of peoples arses!

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

No, Andy, the Cam discussion and the aforementioned context dates from way before this thread. The above quote was merely a reference to it.

In Chronological order.......

A thread occurred titled something like 'Who can do a Custom Cam for an RST?'
Everyone suggested Karl
A few people suggested Newman
I emailed Karl
I then called Newman
They said 'No, we can't help you spec a cam for your engine, but our Solid Lifters keep breaking'
Then this thread occurred where I made reference to my experience with Newman and the fact that THEY COULD NOT SUPPLY ME WITH A CUSTOM CAM AND CANNOT SUPPLY YOU OR ANYONE ELSE WITH A CUSTOM CAM UNLESS YOU GO TO THEM WITH A LIST OF EXACT TIMING/DURATION/LIFT etc figures.
So back to the top of this list, they COULD NOT HAVE HELPED ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT CUSTOM CAMS.

For fuck sake. Lets split hairs. So, out of a joint collaboration where AVA spec the Cam and Newman physically press the button on the machine to make it, who claims the credit?? I think Alan would be most disappointed to here that you faithful lot are 'Selling' his hard work with Newmans name on it.

Hows that for ULTIMATE HYPOCRISY??

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

And Yes Dingy, you are truly a Cock Smoker. Change the record for fuck sake.

POPEYE

now now children

Phil

iTrader: (1)

I can't believe you lot are aguing whether a custom cam is by the engineer or the profiling machine operator

Some people have toooo much spare time

Andy-R

Faithfull lot!

Since when did selecting a tuner become a matter of faith/cult?

Like yeah we have early morning meetings where all customers must attend and bow before and pledge allegiance to the almighty AVA!
Whilst raising the flag and swearing "the oath of secerecy" Get real.

As for "selling his cam" refering to Alan:-
Alan would be the 1st to tell you that it is a Newman Cam, and I am sure walking into AVA the sign on the wall would leave you with no doubt as to this fact.
In the same way the sign on the wall would leave you with no doubt as to Universal Turbos being their Turbo supplier.

Selling cams or the services of the tuner I choose is not my aim and not the reason for my use of PassionFord. I do however realise that Touting for buisness on PF is your Job.

You will note that at no point have I sugested that APT and/or Garys ability/inability to map cars was the primary reason for Tonys car blowing up, so why the hostility? I simply stated that Ian would not have had to have been 1.6miles away to have realised that Tonys car had blown up!

The official line is that an Injector failure caused the problem wasnt it?

As a Trader your almost constant putdowns & criticism of other tuners/manufacturers is now somewhat predictable.

It would appear that you feel the need to bring others down to elevate yourself and APT. Id sujest having a good look at the way you come across call it personal development if it makes you feel any better. Like I said earlier Ive nothing to loose nothing to prove, you on the otherhand....

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

Andy, I want to make it perfectly clear that most of my views are personal. OK, so I work for APT, but most of the experience that I speak about on here relates to discoveries that I have made researching my own car. My profile on here was created long before APT.

As for putting people down, I believe in Praise where Praise is due, and I do wherever possible (GRS for one).

However, if I have discovered something that could possibly help someone avoid making a mistake, then I don't mind saying it. Surely that's a good benefit of a Forum such as this? If I post something negative, I have usually got evidence to support it. Kent Cams is an example, but I wont dredge that up unless you really want me to.

The ONLY person that I have criticised in this instance is Ian and I again draw attention to the fact that he started that. I didn't ask him to make that faeceous comment at Brunters. What is the relevance of the fact that the failure could be heard to what actually caused it? I am not really sure what your point is there.

I haven't criticised Newman, simply stated a fact. That still stands. I challenge any of you to buy a Custom Cam from Newman that is suitable for what you want without intervention from a third party that can spec it for you. You cannot.

I still cannot understand where you are coming from with this support thing. I'm not suggesting that we should all be butt-fu**ing our tuners, but to support what they do for you is, I would have thought, a natural instinct. If consistency were applied here, then the result is obvious. We all see constant (deserved) praise on here for Karl. I don't doubt that his work is faultless and he rightly claims the credit for it. He doesn't come on and say "Well actually, that NMS Cam isn't actually an NMS Cam, it was made by *********". He invested the time/money etc into discovering what works and rightly deserves the credit for it.

Andy, there really isn't any hostility on my part, it concerns me that you think that. I hope you and I don't fall out over something so petty. I accept that I am wrong as often as you are or indeed anybody else is, but this to me seems very 'black-and-white'.

EVERYONE on here shows support to the people that they trust to a greater or lesser degree. Whether its AVA, NMS, MAD, Harvey, Ahmed, APT, GRS, Pro Alloy etc etc. It might only be a sticker on the car, or a logo in the signature, whatever, the essence is the same. That is all I am supporting. What is so abnormal about that?

This Newman thing is merely a continuation of that. The FACT is that Newman cannot offer a Custom Cam. They can make a Custom Cam to a given spec, but that is of no use without someone to spec it for you. It is insane that the person that spent whatever amount of time/money/effort in getting it to work isn't the person whose name is remembered for it. It's inaccurate anyway. If I wanted a cam like yours, who would I have to approach for it?? Newman? No, I would have to talk to AVA.

Any discussion that has been had where someone has wanted a Custom Cam will be someone that simply wants to buy a Custom Cam. Me included. It remains that Newman cannot help me or any of those other people. They cannot help you, or Jambo or Dingy or anyone unless you have a specification for them to work from, so essentially they cannot offer a Custom Cam in the context that we are referring to. Surely that concept isn't hard to understand? I can see that Newman can physically MAKE a Custom Cam, that I never doubted, but that's irrelevant. In actual fact, I have a Cam Spec here that I am going to have made for my car. Although in reality I know who is going to make it, that isn't necessarily a forgone conclusion. It is currently an unproduced Cam. Even once it has been made, the idea was mine, therefore I will claim the credit for it if it works.

Jeeeeez. Talk about blowing something up out of all proportion.

POPEYE

fook me that was boring

Benn 304R

Yep have to agree with ya there pops

Matt

am i reading all this horsepiss wrong or is ian saying he heard an injector failing whilst a car was being launched and it then melted on lift off at the end of the straight. hes one clever fucker if thats the truth........ next weeks lottery numbers please

thats just a scottish thing andy, i believe marty invented it

rapidcossie

[quote="Matt"]am i reading all this horsepiss wrong or is ian saying he heard an injector failing whilst a car was being launched and it then melted on lift off at the end of the straight. hes one clever fucker if thats the truth........ next weeks lottery numbers please

i think his cars actually talks!
kit said " it was one of my injectors that failed micheal!"

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

JamboRS

if you go to newman and ask them to spend there time speccin you cam for your engine,turbo spec your answer will be no if you design your own cam shape lobes wise and stuff they will machine it to your size which makes it custom
so to answer the overall question do newman do custom cams?yes
do they spec cams?no
youlll need to do the hard work theyll do machinin
alan at AVA has spent many years experimentin with different ideas
he never went to newman and asked them to spec a cam for this spec engine
he gave them the dimensions he was want not the engine spec its goin in
so we'll just say an AVA specced newman cam
that will keep us all happy
by the way ava will not sell you a cam either they will however build you a engine thats reliable and virtually bullet proof,maybe even with a ava specced newman custom cam in it aswell

Christian and Beccy

iTrader: (14)

Jambo, you proved my point in what you said there. I just think you are struggling to admit that I am right. I wasn't in this for an 'I told you so' or to fall out with anyone, but after how much time I have invested trying to make a simple point, I thank you.

LOL @ AVA specced Newman Cam. Think about what I said in my last reply.......

Relate that to the context in which it is relevant on here, with people asking questions such as 'Who can do me a Custom Cam?'. The customer doesn't really need/want to know who makes it, they just want to know who they need to talk to in order to buy what they want and that was the basis of the question asked.

adamS2RST

So are we over this one yet?

Ginge !

so who does custom cams then

need one for the cossie

Jon ERST S2

Christian - You are totally right. Who cares who grinds the cam! Karl's CUSTOM cam's are made by either Piper OR Kent. Still the same cam!

Mine was done by Piper which I think he uses at the moment. It certainly aint a Piper cam!

Good luck with the head - hope Tony is happy with it, whoever he gets it from.

Tim

iTrader: (1)

Karls cams arnt done buy piper or kent

JamboRS

if you wanted a cam like mine you would have to get the dimensions of the cam and take it to newman with the sizes and get them to machine it

look at it this way if was want a special head built by xyz and told them i wanted this size exhaust valves and that size inlet valves
its not called a jambo head is it
its a xyz head built to jambos spec
which makes it an xyz custom head maybe built to my spec
but i didnt customise it so you cant really put my name on it
that above statemant was only put to stop you little kids bickerin
a sort of we'll agree to disagree thing
think your just spittin the dummy coz you cant get one
there no doubt in my mind thats its a newman cam you can call it what YOU want but when i tell people my spec ill be sayin newman cam
right now alan is designin his own turbocharger he will build this himself and do the work himself that you can call a AVA custom turbo because he done the work to it not a second party
you just need to look in ava to see that its not a ava cam coz theres newman stickers plastered everywhere
why would they advertise someone elses stuff if it was there work
think about it

Jon ERST S2

Mine was done by piper

Jon ERST S2

Here's mine. Not that you can tell anything from the picture

JamboRS

not that its got anythin to do with you christian as youll never have one
so you dont need to call it anytin
i look forward to seein a christian cam soon then

when ive finished with mine you can have it then you can say whos ever cam you want