Andy, I want to make it perfectly clear that most of my views are personal. OK, so I work for APT, but most of the experience that I speak about on here relates to discoveries that I have made researching my own car. My profile on here was created long before APT.

As for putting people down, I believe in Praise where Praise is due, and I do wherever possible (GRS for one).

However, if I have discovered something that could possibly help someone avoid making a mistake, then I don't mind saying it. Surely that's a good benefit of a Forum such as this? If I post something negative, I have usually got evidence to support it. Kent Cams is an example, but I wont dredge that up unless you really want me to.

The ONLY person that I have criticised in this instance is Ian and I again draw attention to the fact that he started that. I didn't ask him to make that faeceous comment at Brunters. What is the relevance of the fact that the failure could be heard to what actually caused it? I am not really sure what your point is there.

I haven't criticised Newman, simply stated a fact. That still stands. I challenge any of you to buy a Custom Cam from Newman that is suitable for what you want without intervention from a third party that can spec it for you. You cannot.

I still cannot understand where you are coming from with this support thing. I'm not suggesting that we should all be butt-fu**ing our tuners, but to support what they do for you is, I would have thought, a natural instinct. If consistency were applied here, then the result is obvious. We all see constant (deserved) praise on here for Karl. I don't doubt that his work is faultless and he rightly claims the credit for it. He doesn't come on and say "Well actually, that NMS Cam isn't actually an NMS Cam, it was made by *********". He invested the time/money etc into discovering what works and rightly deserves the credit for it.

Andy, there really isn't any hostility on my part, it concerns me that you think that. I hope you and I don't fall out over something so petty. I accept that I am wrong as often as you are or indeed anybody else is, but this to me seems very 'black-and-white'.

EVERYONE on here shows support to the people that they trust to a greater or lesser degree. Whether its AVA, NMS, MAD, Harvey, Ahmed, APT, GRS, Pro Alloy etc etc. It might only be a sticker on the car, or a logo in the signature, whatever, the essence is the same. That is all I am supporting. What is so abnormal about that?

This Newman thing is merely a continuation of that. The FACT is that Newman cannot offer a Custom Cam. They can make a Custom Cam to a given spec, but that is of no use without someone to spec it for you. It is insane that the person that spent whatever amount of time/money/effort in getting it to work isn't the person whose name is remembered for it. It's inaccurate anyway. If I wanted a cam like yours, who would I have to approach for it?? Newman? No, I would have to talk to AVA.

Any discussion that has been had where someone has wanted a Custom Cam will be someone that simply wants to buy a Custom Cam. Me included. It remains that Newman cannot help me or any of those other people. They cannot help you, or Jambo or Dingy or anyone unless you have a specification for them to work from, so essentially they cannot offer a Custom Cam in the context that we are referring to. Surely that concept isn't hard to understand? I can see that Newman can physically MAKE a Custom Cam, that I never doubted, but that's irrelevant. In actual fact, I have a Cam Spec here that I am going to have made for my car. Although in reality I know who is going to make it, that isn't necessarily a forgone conclusion. It is currently an unproduced Cam. Even once it has been made, the idea was mine, therefore I will claim the credit for it if it works.

Jeeeeez. Talk about blowing something up out of all proportion.