chaffe

My opinion is that there has to be a major problem with the engine or the management/fuel/ig side of things in the first place in order for you to be using easy start. By using the easy start you are ignoring the main problem with the engine and it will only get worse. Although its not the first time ive heard people say "its addicted to easy start" but surley if you never fixed the problem in the first place it will only get worse any way? what is everyone elses view on this? am i missing something here

Chip

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Using easy start wont make an engine harder to start when you are not using it, in fact sometimes it can make it easier to start as its quite a good cleaner of the inlet tract so in the case of carbs with sticking pistons due to gunk etc (ie a mini SU) it can actually help fix a problem.

If it doesnt start without it, its not addicted to anything, its simply not fuelling or sparking correctly.

Your view is correct, you are ignoring a problem which is getting worse, so thats why it gets harder to start without easystart.

Gazzonator

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I don't think it does them any favours at all if easy start is used all the time as it can cause the piston to rattle it's way down the bore as it is so volatile.

I only ever use it on diesels if it has a glow plug issue or low fuel pressure when cranking to get it started and tell the owner to go straight to the garage to have it sorted.

The amount of people that get pissed off with me because I won't sell or give them my can of easy start because they don't want to spend out getting the issue fixed is unreal!!

chaffe

Thanks chip, glad its not just me thinking that way

tabetha

I totally agree as well, baffles me how a lump of metal can get addicted to anything.
That said in very cold climes it can be really good on some stubborn old diesels engines/designs, as comp heat is not enough.
tabetha

left hooker

as chip stated it act's as a good cleaner would it not wash the bores causing damage to the rings causeing lower compresion so there for the "need" of easy start every time to start

it's just that sounds like what i would call an adiction

OrionRST200bhp

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Engines do get sort of addicted to easy start, we have a fork lift at work which wont work with out the stuff. its washed the bores that much causing a glaze and theres bugger all compression because of it. bear in mind the fork lift has been started with easy start for the past five years

botters

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i used to work on several mk2 transits when i fist started out as a mechanic that all had a tube in the dash board that went through the bulkhead and into the airbox so that you could apply easystart on a cold winter morning without even opening the bonnet lol

1.9 xr2 on 40's

the driver gets addicted to staying away from a repair bill

yoou can stop giving the engine a 'hit' but then you'd have to fix it

in oz my camper ran mint until we went south where it was cold as fuck, wouldnt start for shit but an aussie dude on the camp came over with a can of deoderant and it starter on that (i do know why) soon as were were north again it was fine
was i fuck gonna go fix it so i bought some aerosol lube and started on that if i needed

botters

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wd40 also works and at least has a bit of lube in it i use it on transits to help them start after a fuel filter change as its a bit nicer than brake cleaner and easy start on the turbo

1300gt

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No. Your engine has issuses .

capri-rs

used easy start on a old mercedes v10 diesel,wouldnt start without it when it was cold.

so yes they get addicted,had to use more and more easy start.

Brettski mk2

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We used it on OLD worn up diesel engines, ford transits/tractors/trucks/ old cars when the pre heat was fucked or the engine had low compression
They can't get addicted?? they just have problems as said

ajamesc

Top daf aid tool easy start when someone runs out of diesel and u have to re start it lol!

morcheen

i remember my old man using it years ago on all sorts of clapped out trucks ,still remember the smell

Stu @ M Developments

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Yes, diesels can appear to become addicted to easy start. Keep on guessing why that is guys, i will be back later.

RS Grant

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I think it's because Easy Start has a lower point of ignition, so it warms the air in the combustion chamber, therefore 'coaxing' the engine into life and allowing it to chug along under its own steam. That's usually on proper old skool diesel engines without glow plugs, although, I suppose if you have a heater plug relay go tits up on a more modern diesel engine then you'll be in a similar situation and it may help start the engine.

Pretty dangerous though, causing a big bang artificially isn't going to be good for the engine so it's best not to start banging the stuff in time after time... rather just fix the problem, no matter how addicted to the smell you are.


Cheers,
Grant

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Because the ECU is fine tuning its long term stratedgy and adapting to actual conditions not preprogrammed ones.

jamie's

old school diesel engines are worst for it and they dont have an ecu,

jamie's

i actualy set our forklift on fire yesterday witheasy start
i sprayed it in then it caught on the heater plugs and shot a flame out the inlet mani
put the whole side of the engine up,
was quite funny, nearly got myself on fire with it
it realy is very very combustable lol

Stu @ M Developments

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Thats a good clue chaps...

mrviper

Humm clues!

Miller 3

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Id say its to do with ring gaps/compression.

DazC

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When we have a troublesome engine to start, we give it a snort of "coke" as we call it.

They become addicted to it due to the "cocaine" causing a big increase in combustion pressures damaging the piston rings of the first few ignition cycles. The starting fault is compounded by a drop in compression meaning it becomes reliant on a snort to get it going from cold. Diesels suffer as they are already mega high compression where as a petrol will cope more easily.

chaffe

LOL, once easy start is used an engine wont start without it, OBVIOUSLY! it didnt start before, thats why you needed the easy start in the first place!

The Youth.

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when cold my sons comer cadet racing kart needs a sniff of easy start, after it's first start it starts first time for the rest of the day.
It's basicly a choke lol

steve

Glenn_

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Lol i love that story ha ha.

chaffe

me too lol

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Well if it happens to non ecu cars then I have learned something new and await the definitive answer

Carlos-Titx

Same as old Army wagons. Having to use cold start all the time in winter months and on some wagons even in the summer!

chaffe

weak spark, too rich or lean, low compression, wrong ig/inj timing, air in the diesel system, faulty heater plugs, wrong gaps/fouled plugs are all good reasons to use easy start. Easy start will not fix these problems though! they will not majicaly go away

Fezman1

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Plenty o EasyStart used here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baPbx...eature=related

Fezman1

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chaffe

lol, what was the problem at the end? appart from running out of easy start lol

Carlos-Titx

A brand new built engine needs engine start? And it needs revving to death from cold? is that how you are meant to start a turbo engine?

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Most definitely NOT !!

Carlos-Titx

I wont start my ST in the morning in the fashion then

chaffe

you speaking about the tractor? they run very funky pumps, id immagine that this one needs a bit of tweaking, but they never idle well or start well for that matter as the pump cant regulate that low down any more lol

Carlos-Titx

Yeah the tractor. I aint clued up on mechanics and that but thought that a new engine from cold as well as the turbo would need to be used gently till its warmed up rather than revving the tits off it.

chaffe

lol, i dont think it really matters TBH, you need to see some real life tractor pulling to understand, its nuts. They run like a sack of shit untill they come on boost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry6Aom1VE7c have a look lol