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Old 02-11-2010, 05:16 PM
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Default Timber garages,planning restrictions?

Hi all,something I've toyed with for ages now but this is the space I'm planning on using.


Now,as you can see,it's pretty large,4.5m between the gates and I'd like to go back about the same,I'll then use this area to put the daily driver/s on.



Excuse the shoddy old Sierra!!

Two more photos to show that I'm not directly connected to next door,so no light problems.






Now,my questions are,as I live in a notoriously difficult area to get planning(gower peninsular),and funds being a but tight,I'm going the timber route,plus if I ever sell the house and the new owners don't like it,I can easily remove it.

The only light it will affect is my boys downstairs room but as he's 15 he likes being in the dark anyway,it really wouldn't make a lot of difference.

There's a solid concrete base and I won't particularly build it up too high but I'm just wondering if anyone on here has done this before and would I be in trouble if I didn't seek planning as I was always led to believe a timber structure is considered non-permanent?


Any advice greatly appreciated.
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Also,please excuse the mess outside but now I've got rid of my unit it's highlighted my dire lack of space,might help if I actually sold a few cars!!!!

As an idea,you could get 8 cars on back to back so it's a big area.

Neighbours attached to me are great and are currently renting out and he's got no issues with the idea.
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is this the front of your house? if so then your pretty much dead in the water if it's the back then you've got a chance
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i'm sure there are a few restrictions on this sort of thing, don't think you're allowed a wooden structure within 2m of the house and 1m of the boundry (even though some houses are made from wood ) think it may also count as an 'extension' if its within 5m of the house, so may need to comply to building regs?

not 100% sure, just glanced quickly at the regs the other day when i was thinking about extending our place. just have a lookie at google, you'll find everything you need to know there
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Originally Posted by project rs
is this the front of your house? if so then your pretty much dead in the water if it's the back then you've got a chance
It is unfortunately mate.I'm thinking perhaps of fencing off the area first and building up the shed/garage on the qt.I can always access it via the side so there's no interference onto the pavement/road.
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Originally Posted by MD Cos
i'm sure there are a few restrictions on this sort of thing, don't think you're allowed a wooden structure within 2m of the house and 1m of the boundry (even though some houses are made from wood ) think it may also count as an 'extension' if its within 5m of the house, so may need to comply to building regs?

not 100% sure, just glanced quickly at the regs the other day when i was thinking about extending our place. just have a lookie at google, you'll find everything you need to know there

That's interesting,I could easily comply with all those regs I think.I'm thinking now of more like a shed with doors on the side so it doesn't open into the street like a true garage.
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Have a look on your local council's website, as regulations vary in different areas. The planning department are there to help you work with the laws to get what you want. You will be might fooked off if you build it anyway, someone complains, then you've got to rip it all down again!
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Originally Posted by Rich170
Have a look on your local council's website, as regulations vary in different areas. The planning department are there to help you work with the laws to get what you want. You will be might fooked off if you build it anyway, someone complains, then you've got to rip it all down again!

Hmm,I can see your point there,might be worth a quick enquiry to them.their not the most helpful around our way but if I dumb it down a bit,I maybe ok.

In all honesty,the way I'm building it(or planning on) it won't be visible from the road.

I should have pointed out that there's no properties that look into the front of my house,there's only a garage across the road and the house directly opposites back garden has trees about 50 foot high and a huge fence running right around it.also,it's built down(heightwise) about 20ft from mine.

I'll take some photos of the view from my front tommorow(I phone 3G!!!!) to show what I mean.

Aside from the house attached to me(which is rented) i can't see who could complain?
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You cannot construct anything in front of the building line of a property other than a porch no greater than 2m2 floor area.

They will be on you straight away to take it down, you can guarantee someone will report it, dont waste your money trying. Even your current front fence is a no go as it cannot be more than 1 m tall.
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Originally Posted by PAUL S
You cannot construct anything in front of the building line of a property other than a porch no greater than 2m2 floor area.

They will be on you straight away to take it down, you can guarantee someone will report it, dont waste your money trying. Even your current front fence is a no go as it cannot be more than 1 m tall.
Really?I was told 6ft6" for the fence?there's loads of houses on my estate with bigger fences.in fact next doors is 6'6" on top of a 5ft wall!!!

Does the building thing apply to timber structures?as that basically means your not allowed a shed out the front of your house!!!

Iirc there's a guy a few doors up that's got a double garage built in front of his house?
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Side and rear fences can be 2m tall without planning, but front ones are restricted to 1m

Often people just go for it and are not caught with garages, extensions, fences etc, then if its been there for more than 5 years they cannot make you tear it down.

Choice of material is irrelevant, a garage is a garage, and requires planning unless its at the side or rear and meets a number of criteria.

Once you contact planning they will keep and eye out, you might be better off getting a sectional garage then at least its easy enough to dismantle and sell on if you wanted to take the gamble.
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Originally Posted by PAUL S
Side and rear fences can be 2m tall without planning, but front ones are restricted to 1m

Often people just go for it and are not caught with garages, extensions, fences etc, then if its been there for more than 5 years they cannot make you tear it down.

Choice of material is irrelevant, a garage is a garage, and requires planning unless its at the side or rear and meets a number of criteria.

Once you contact planning they will keep and eye out, you might be better off getting a sectional garage then at least its easy enough to dismantle and sell on if you wanted to take the gamble.
Thanks mate,appreciated.

If I claimed it was a "shed",which I can easily make it look like,do you think I'd stand a better chance?

I might say fuck it as if they do ask me to take it down,I cab always rebuild it out the back and the boy can use it as a summer house!!!
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council will be on you like a tramp eating chips mate.....only thing you would possibly get away with is a' temporary structure ' like a container or 2 welded together like my mate did.council did make him move them eventually....5yrs later lol only after complaints
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I think the best thing to do would be to speak to your local planning office, at least that way you will know exactly what you can and can't do rather than leave it to guesswork and a few well intentioned replies on an internet forum.
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Im sure theres all sorts of regulations because of the fire risk of a wooden structure. the house where in used to have a wooden garage but was took down before we got in. Did some enquirys and it is easier to get a brick/concrtye one put in its place
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Thanks for the replies guys,a fair but to think of now!!!but I've got to find somewhere soon and rentals anywhere around by me are like rocking horse shit!!!
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use a concrete section garage - no planning permission required as its seen as a temp structure
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