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Old 11-11-2010, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
I'm totally with you Danny but I don't see the point on a fun track car that isn't out to set the world alight to try and gain that bit more

Honestly you just drive 7-800 hp on track especially a tight one and say you want a bit more

I don't miss what you say I do agree with ya,

Right,

On the old engine which was a good 600 or slightly more in car

At brunters on a warm day mid summer nothing about 28 degrees

With the new engine it has risen into mid 30s I think which was to be expected but still no problems to warrant changing !

With race fuel and more boost I can imagine it would be slightly over the charge temps we would want to see but the car never uses race fuel you know

Only at pod for ten seconds so far
Im not trying to sell you one jimbo im just saying its a better cooler than you or i have and if when your rising into the mid to high 30s then id say your mad not to try one on your car mate as this will drop you back down to where you should be imo and that alone is a great benefit and will release even more ponnies!!!
The old mans engine is what £25k and this cooler is what £700???its a no brainer...



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Originally Posted by J1mbo
Yep agreed mark, but when our charge temps are fine the boost map barely needs changing from dyno to car so there isn't any restriction, we even use a identical intercooler on the dyno as in the car just with a water jacket

So I don't see the need to change at all ?
As Clarkeson reluctantly said in one of his videos (At Full Throttle Mark?) maybe you can make the best even better

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Some graphs for you

The first graph is of my original intercooler and my modified Airtec intercooler

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This graph is of my original intercooler and the Spec-R intercooler

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This is the Spec-R intercooler and my modified Airtec intercooler

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Steve

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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
im just saying its a better cooler than you or i have and if when your rising into the mid to high 30s then id say your mad not to try one on your car mate as this will drop you back down to where you should be imo and that alone is a great benefit and will release even more ponnies!!!



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Do you actually know all of that for sure Danny? Not being funny but a simple dyno test doesn't suddenly make everyone's intercoolers redundant.
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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
Do you actually know all of that for sure Danny? Not being funny but a simple dyno test doesn't suddenly make everyone's intercoolers redundant.
It made my original one redundant lol

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Old 11-11-2010, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
It made my original one redundant lol

Steve
If you had a pony one in the first place then fair enough, mine isn't!
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Originally Posted by cossie4i
Some graphs for you

The first graph is of my original intercooler and my modified Airtec intercooler



This graph is of my original intercooler and the Spec-R intercooler



This is the Spec-R intercooler and my modified Airtec intercooler



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So it looks like the Spec r one made around 10ftlb more than all of them.

Mark
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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
Do you actually know all of that for sure Danny? Not being funny but a simple dyno test doesn't suddenly make everyone's intercoolers redundant.
Martin im not saying they are mate and after having a pro alloy specially built for me just a year ago do you think i really want to just take mine out and put a new one in???
Pete looked at my cooler and was so confident that its no good that i trust he will prove the spec r in front of my very eyes to be far superior and thats why im going to do tests on my car and then it will prove it full stop..
If you spoke with pete martin you would see that he knows his stuff so i trust him and his product and if it isnt better than mine then i wont be fitting it but im pretty damn sure that wont be the case!!


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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Martin im not saying they are mate and after having a pro alloy specially built for me just a year ago do you think i really want to just take mine out and put a new one in???
Pete looked at my cooler and was so confident that its no good that i trust he will prove the spec r in front of my very eyes to be far superior and thats why im going to do tests on my car and then it will prove it full stop..
If you spoke with pete martin you would see that he knows his stuff so i trust him and his product and if it isnt better than mine then i wont be fitting it but im pretty damn sure that wont be the case!!


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Danny I take it you will be using the 3.8inch one

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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Im not trying to sell you one jimbo im just saying its a better cooler than you or i have and if when your rising into the mid to high 30s then id say your mad not to try one on your car mate as this will drop you back down to where you should be imo and that alone is a great benefit and will release even more ponnies!!!
The old mans engine is what £25k and this cooler is what £700???its a no brainer...



cheers danny
Lol I know your not mate

Do you think a mid 30 degree charge temp is excessive on a warm day ?

If it got to the point wherE he wasn't happy with his one he probably would try a spec r cooler but whilst he's dead happy there isn't much point
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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Martin im not saying they are mate and after having a pro alloy specially built for me just a year ago do you think i really want to just take mine out and put a new one in???
Pete looked at my cooler and was so confident that its no good that i trust he will prove the spec r in front of my very eyes to be far superior and thats why im going to do tests on my car and then it will prove it full stop..
If you spoke with pete martin you would see that he knows his stuff so i trust him and his product and if it isnt better than mine then i wont be fitting it but im pretty damn sure that wont be the case!!


cheers danny
Fair enough Danny, do your tests and then hit us with it! Btw how will the new cooler differ from the one you have right now?

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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Danny I take it you will be using the 3.8inch one

Mark
Mark i dont honestly know mate,pete said this said that looked at mine at the mo and said he would make the inlet side larger than the turbo side to speed up air flow etc and to be honest after what pete said and the way the spec r performed i will be having whatever he decides to build for me!!!lol


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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Mark i dont honestly know mate,pete said this said that looked at mine at the mo and said he would make the inlet side larger than the turbo side to speed up air flow etc and to be honest after what pete said and the way the spec r performed i will be having whatever he decides to build for me!!!lol


cheers danny

hahahahahaha, you dont know what you're having but it's gonna be good?
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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
Fair enough Danny, do your tests and then hit us with it! Btw how will the new cooler differ from the one you have right now?
In what respect mate???
Its half the physical size as mine,the inlet and outlet pipes will come in over the top like rods and they are trumpeted through the core for better increased flow..also pete said on my car he will make the inlet side larger than the turbo side to help with flow even further..


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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
hahahahahaha, you dont know what you're having but it's gonna be good?
Mate its an intercooler and its better than what iv got!!!i dont design this things and wouldnt know where to start but yes its gonna be good!!!!lol


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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Mate its an intercooler and its better than what iv got!!!i dont design this things and wouldnt know where to start but yes its gonna be good!!!!lol


cheers danny
What exactly have you got right now? I know you have said its a Pro Alloy but what is it?
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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
So it looks like the Spec r one made around 10ftlb more than all of them.

Mark
Can you tell that because it makes the power earlier ?

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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
What exactly have you got right now? I know you have said its a Pro Alloy but what is it?
I have the 75mm one that they said would be good enough for 700 hp but in all fairness some times gets to hot now at circa 600 hp



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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
I have the 75mm one that they said would be good enough for 700 hp but in all fairness some times gets to hot now at circa 600 hp



cheers danny
I dont have the same.
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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
I dont have the same.
Yeah i no you have 100mm and when i asked for one that size it was pro alloy them selves that talked me out of it and into this!!

At the end of the day martin if you dont ever see over mid to high 30s and the recovery rate is quick then no need to change but if you do then i would..


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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
I dont have the same.
Martin I think yours and the old chaps are the same ?
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
Martin I think yours and the old chaps are the same ?
Thats mine...

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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Yeah i no you have 100mm and when i asked for one that size it was pro alloy them selves that talked me out of it and into this!!

At the end of the day martin if you dont ever see over mid to high 30s and the recovery rate is quick then no need to change but if you do then i would..


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You should have insisted if that's what you wanted..
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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
You should have insisted if that's what you wanted..
Can you show pics of the inlet and outlet pipes????


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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Can you show pics of the inlet and outlet pipes????


cheers danny
Its in the car! The inlet is 4" and the outlet is 1.5" does that sound right? Makes a wicked whistling noise
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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
Its in the car! The inlet is 4" and the outlet is 1.5" does that sound right? Makes a wicked whistling noise
Youve lost me!!lol..
Pete said my cores nice but the way the inlet and outlet has been put on the end of the tanks are very restrictive,just wondered if yours were any different??
Your cooler looks mental!!!


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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
Makes a wicked whistling noise


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Originally Posted by Mark Shead
Danny I take it you will be using the 3.8inch one

Mark
not a bad core that one!!
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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
Thats mine...


Look pretty similar to mee

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Danny I thought this was the one you had !
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Originally Posted by J1mbo
Look pretty similar to mee




Danny I thought this was the one you had !
Is yours the 100mm one then???mine looks identical to yours from that pic but mine has the the cooling duct like martins and your doesnt!!


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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
Thats mine...

Nice - would love to see this go head to head with the Spec r cooler
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Originally Posted by BRAMMER
Nice - would love to see this go head to head with the Spec r cooler
I doubt that intercooler is any cheaper than the Spec-R one.

Also the Spec-R one is smaller and lighter so would improve sprung weight for better handling.

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Dont you mean sprung weight!?
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Originally Posted by Danny @ Enhanced Performance
Is yours the 100mm one then???mine looks identical to yours from that pic but mine has the the cooling duct like martins and your doesnt!!


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Yes 100 mm wasn't the greatest pic

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Originally Posted by Lee_R21Turbo
Dont you mean sprung weight!?
Thats what i said

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How much are those huge Pro Alloy ones?
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Looking back, I thought the test was done at Dannys place? Who is AFR tuning?
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It's a shared unit, with AFR tuning, jap tuning company
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Originally Posted by James90RS
It's a shared unit, with AFR tuning, jap tuning company
Gotcha, I think I remember dealing with the guy on a wastegate sale, Andy?
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Originally Posted by Martin-Reyland
That does surprise me Rod, I saw very high rising temps at Brunters when I used one on my V1 Escort in the early days. Does the NOS bring the temps back to where you want them?

This is the intercooler I later used on my first Escort, sadly I never got chance to use it at Brunters as I fitted it just before we went to Morocco but during the Gumball we ran the car a sustained high speeds and very warm temps and it coped superbly. Its 3x 4x4 intercoolers welded together, I would have been happy submitting that for comparison.


The RS500 Cooler was on the car when it was purchased its only been changed since the latest engine conversion. Without massive help from WI im sure it would not have coped. When the WI pumped failed at TOTB we ran 174.5mph harry flatters at Brunters a month later with a new pump fitted 183.3mph was recorded both without Nitrous it sorta sums up how much help we got from the WI.


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