Brunters & top speed runs.
21-03-2010 | 02:42 PM
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no point in running the car on the dyno to perfection, and then adding stuff to it which might cause a failure when you are seeing a % more load from the crank pulley than you were expecting and using more fuel as a reslut?
21-03-2010 | 02:47 PM
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Trying to work out where the 1.5 miles comes from thats all...looks to me like 1.7 + miles? Is the timer set at 1.5 miles or does it move and are the speeds via that timer or gps incar?
Please clarify
This is not meant to upset anyone either just trying to learn facts
Please clarify
This is not meant to upset anyone either just trying to learn factsVmax & Terminal Velocity are a through the beam timing event.
The mags usually time the fastest you reach anywhere in the straight.
To show that the time at the beam may not be the fastest at TV2005, Mark hit the limiter at 1.4 miles, this was 210.2mph & coasted over the line to record 206.1mph through the beam if this had been a Mag shoot the Topspeed record would have been over 210 since 2005.
21-03-2010 | 05:53 PM
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21-03-2010 | 09:08 PM
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To clarify.
Vmax & Terminal Velocity are a through the beam timing event.
The mags usually time the fastest you reach anywhere in the straight.
To show that the time at the beam may not be the fastest at TV2005, Mark hit the limiter at 1.4 miles, this was 210.2mph & coasted over the line to record 206.1mph through the beam if this had been a Mag shoot the Topspeed record would have been over 210 since 2005.
Vmax & Terminal Velocity are a through the beam timing event.
The mags usually time the fastest you reach anywhere in the straight.
To show that the time at the beam may not be the fastest at TV2005, Mark hit the limiter at 1.4 miles, this was 210.2mph & coasted over the line to record 206.1mph through the beam if this had been a Mag shoot the Topspeed record would have been over 210 since 2005.
Just thinking about whether 700bhp will be enough for me if the distance is alot shorter than before
22-03-2010 | 10:00 AM
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22-03-2010 | 01:21 PM
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Phil,
I did my 172mph run at Brunters (T34 0.48 a/r 4x803s) in the same way as the VMAX event (fixed timing lights).
With 420bhp, I also did 172mph at Alconbury over a STANDING MILE.
With 515bhp, I did 180.6mph into a 20-30mph headwind in February 2001 (put it this way, the wind conditions were so unfavourable, that Ross-watt did 149.9mph in his bean-tin a few months before, came back with 40bhp MORE at the WHEELS and did only 0.2mph faster because of the weather
). On this occasion, I could have braked later, but was only trying to exceed 180mph. The positive side of the headwind and sub 10° ambients was that the charge temp stayed below 42°C.
Next time at pre-arranged SCS / MAD grudge match, the event was in the height of summer with ambients of 30°C. This time I struggled - the ACTs were through the roof, even with the WI running flat out. Mark had been there all morning with Bruce's car and only managed high 170s with several runs under his belt, and each run was getting more and more ragged - eventually Mark called it a day with 178 or 179 on the clock. I knew what I had to do and also with knowing my car inside out, I knew that I HAD to see 183mph on the Stack for it to equal 181ish true speed (the Stack had originally been calibrated when the tyres were new, and were now half worn). I did a siting run to check the runway out, mapped out an "escape route" and then came round and went for it. Basically without any thought of what could or would happen (not bravery, perhaps stupidity, but I still sweat looking back at it 
), I just decided that I wasn't going to brake until I saw 183mph on the speedo. Heading down the middle of the runway, I just concentrated on NOTHING but the numbers coming up. Not until I saw 183mph did I even look up to see how much distance I had left (as being familiar with the place, I was sure that when that figure showed, I would have enough room to stop). Obviously, with the temps as high as they were, the power was reduced due to the high ACTs, and it took longer for the numbers to come up, which meant that the distance I had to stop was greatly reduced. As soon as I looked up, I knew IMMEDIATELY apparant that I wasn't going to make it. Standing on the brakes the front nose-dived and the rear went light - fish-tailing slightly. I maintained the pressure sufficiently to prevent the ABS from coming in, picked a point through the tyres that I had previously recce'd and hung on with the car still fish-tailing. The car slowed to a safe speed of about 40-50mph around 60-70m inside the parked car zone (where there were 50-60 BRAND NEW cars parked up ). I was safe, relieved and ecstatic. I went back KNOWING that the car had done 180mph. They confirmed 180.9mph.
I went up to the lads (and Rod will remember this well) and just said, "Right, I'm off home now, because after that run, if anyone beats that, they're welcome to it". The time was around 15.00, and with that, I just left (at the time I was supposed to be playing tennis with the woman at 19.00, otherwise I would have stayed and watched).
With Mark's help (upping the boost to 2.5 bar), waiting until the ambients had dropped and some brake markers (Rod et al standing at the bottom of the runway, moving closer and closer to the tyre wall), after several failed attempts, I got a phone call at 18.00 (just as I was pulling into Norwich after the 3 hour drive home), to say that Bruce had done 183mph (and had had to use the same run-off that I had used to do it ).
Ever since then, Rod has begrudgingly respected the SCS Sapphire
.
I did my 172mph run at Brunters (T34 0.48 a/r 4x803s) in the same way as the VMAX event (fixed timing lights).
With 420bhp, I also did 172mph at Alconbury over a STANDING MILE.
With 515bhp, I did 180.6mph into a 20-30mph headwind in February 2001 (put it this way, the wind conditions were so unfavourable, that Ross-watt did 149.9mph in his bean-tin a few months before, came back with 40bhp MORE at the WHEELS and did only 0.2mph faster because of the weather
). On this occasion, I could have braked later, but was only trying to exceed 180mph. The positive side of the headwind and sub 10° ambients was that the charge temp stayed below 42°C.Next time at pre-arranged SCS / MAD grudge match, the event was in the height of summer with ambients of 30°C. This time I struggled - the ACTs were through the roof, even with the WI running flat out. Mark had been there all morning with Bruce's car and only managed high 170s with several runs under his belt, and each run was getting more and more ragged - eventually Mark called it a day with 178 or 179 on the clock. I knew what I had to do and also with knowing my car inside out, I knew that I HAD to see 183mph on the Stack for it to equal 181ish true speed (the Stack had originally been calibrated when the tyres were new, and were now half worn). I did a siting run to check the runway out, mapped out an "escape route" and then came round and went for it. Basically without any thought of what could or would happen (not bravery, perhaps stupidity, but I still sweat looking back at it
), I just decided that I wasn't going to brake until I saw 183mph on the speedo. Heading down the middle of the runway, I just concentrated on NOTHING but the numbers coming up. Not until I saw 183mph did I even look up to see how much distance I had left (as being familiar with the place, I was sure that when that figure showed, I would have enough room to stop). Obviously, with the temps as high as they were, the power was reduced due to the high ACTs, and it took longer for the numbers to come up, which meant that the distance I had to stop was greatly reduced. As soon as I looked up, I knew IMMEDIATELY apparant that I wasn't going to make it. Standing on the brakes the front nose-dived and the rear went light - fish-tailing slightly. I maintained the pressure sufficiently to prevent the ABS from coming in, picked a point through the tyres that I had previously recce'd and hung on with the car still fish-tailing. The car slowed to a safe speed of about 40-50mph around 60-70m inside the parked car zone (where there were 50-60 BRAND NEW cars parked up ). I was safe, relieved and ecstatic. I went back KNOWING that the car had done 180mph. They confirmed 180.9mph. I went up to the lads (and Rod will remember this well) and just said, "Right, I'm off home now, because after that run, if anyone beats that, they're welcome to it
". The time was around 15.00, and with that, I just left (at the time I was supposed to be playing tennis with the woman at 19.00, otherwise I would have stayed and watched).With Mark's help (upping the boost to 2.5 bar), waiting until the ambients had dropped and some brake markers (Rod et al standing at the bottom of the runway, moving closer and closer to the tyre wall
), after several failed attempts, I got a phone call at 18.00 (just as I was pulling into Norwich after the 3 hour drive home), to say that Bruce had done 183mph (and had had to use the same run-off that I had used to do it ).Ever since then, Rod has begrudgingly respected the SCS Sapphire
.
22-03-2010 | 01:26 PM
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Phil,
I did my 172mph run at Brunters (T34 0.48 a/r 4x803s) in the same way as the VMAX event (fixed timing lights).
With 420bhp, I also did 172mph at Alconbury over a STANDING MILE.
With 515bhp, I did 180.6mph into a 20-30mph headwind in February 2001 (put it this way, the wind conditions were so unfavourable, that Ross-watt did 149.9mph in his bean-tin a few months before, came back with 40bhp MORE at the WHEELS and did only 0.2mph faster because of the weather). On this occasion, I could have braked later, but was only trying to exceed 180mph. The positive side of the headwind and sub 10° ambients was that the charge temp stayed below 42°C.
Next time at pre-arranged SCS / MAD grudge match, the event was in the height of summer with ambients of 30°C. This time I struggled - the ACTs were through the roof, even with the WI running flat out. Mark had been there all morning with Bruce's car and only managed high 170s with several runs under his belt, and each run was getting more and more ragged - eventually Mark called it a day with 178 or 179 on the clock. I knew what I had to do and also with knowing my car inside out, I knew that I HAD to see 183mph on the Stack for it to equal 181ish true speed (the Stack had originally been calibrated when the tyres were new, and were now half worn). I did a siting run to check the runway out, mapped out an "escape route" and then came round and went for it. Basically without any thought of what could or would happen (not bravery, perhaps stupidity, but I still sweat looking back at it ), I just decided that I wasn't going to brake until I saw 183mph on the speedo. Heading down the middle of the runway, I just concentrated on NOTHING but the numbers coming up. Not until I saw 183mph did I even look up to see how much distance I had left (as being familiar with the place, I was sure that when that figure showed, I would have enough room to stop). Obviously, with the temps as high as they were, the power was reduced due to the high ACTs, and it took longer for the numbers to come up, which meant that the distance I had to stop was greatly reduced. As soon as I looked up, I knew IMMEDIATELY apparant that I wasn't going to make it. Standing on the brakes the front nose-dived and the rear went light - fish-tailing slightly. I maintained the pressure sufficiently to prevent the ABS from coming in, picked a point through the tyres that I had previously recce'd and hung on with the car still fish-tailing. The car slowed to a safe speed of about 40-50mph around 60-70m inside the parked car zone (where there were 50-60 BRAND NEW cars parked up ). I was safe, relieved and ecstatic. I went back KNOWING that the car had done 180mph. They confirmed 180.9mph.
I went up to the lads (and Rod will remember this well) and just said, "Right, I'm off home now, because after that run, if anyone beats that, they're welcome to it". The time was around 15.00, and with that, I just left (at the time I was supposed to be playing tennis with the woman at 19.00, otherwise I would have stayed and watched).
With Mark's help (upping the boost to 2.5 bar), waiting until the ambients had dropped and some brake markers (Rod et al standing at the bottom of the runway, moving closer and closer to the tyre wall), after several failed attempts, I got a phone call at 18.00 (just as I was pulling into Norwich after the 3 hour drive home), to say that Bruce had done 183mph (and had had to use the same run-off that I had used to do it ).
Ever since then, Rod has begrudgingly respected the SCS Sapphire.
I did my 172mph run at Brunters (T34 0.48 a/r 4x803s) in the same way as the VMAX event (fixed timing lights).
With 420bhp, I also did 172mph at Alconbury over a STANDING MILE.
With 515bhp, I did 180.6mph into a 20-30mph headwind in February 2001 (put it this way, the wind conditions were so unfavourable, that Ross-watt did 149.9mph in his bean-tin a few months before, came back with 40bhp MORE at the WHEELS and did only 0.2mph faster because of the weather
). On this occasion, I could have braked later, but was only trying to exceed 180mph. The positive side of the headwind and sub 10° ambients was that the charge temp stayed below 42°C.Next time at pre-arranged SCS / MAD grudge match, the event was in the height of summer with ambients of 30°C. This time I struggled - the ACTs were through the roof, even with the WI running flat out. Mark had been there all morning with Bruce's car and only managed high 170s with several runs under his belt, and each run was getting more and more ragged - eventually Mark called it a day with 178 or 179 on the clock. I knew what I had to do and also with knowing my car inside out, I knew that I HAD to see 183mph on the Stack for it to equal 181ish true speed (the Stack had originally been calibrated when the tyres were new, and were now half worn). I did a siting run to check the runway out, mapped out an "escape route" and then came round and went for it. Basically without any thought of what could or would happen (not bravery, perhaps stupidity, but I still sweat looking back at it
), I just decided that I wasn't going to brake until I saw 183mph on the speedo. Heading down the middle of the runway, I just concentrated on NOTHING but the numbers coming up. Not until I saw 183mph did I even look up to see how much distance I had left (as being familiar with the place, I was sure that when that figure showed, I would have enough room to stop). Obviously, with the temps as high as they were, the power was reduced due to the high ACTs, and it took longer for the numbers to come up, which meant that the distance I had to stop was greatly reduced. As soon as I looked up, I knew IMMEDIATELY apparant that I wasn't going to make it. Standing on the brakes the front nose-dived and the rear went light - fish-tailing slightly. I maintained the pressure sufficiently to prevent the ABS from coming in, picked a point through the tyres that I had previously recce'd and hung on with the car still fish-tailing. The car slowed to a safe speed of about 40-50mph around 60-70m inside the parked car zone (where there were 50-60 BRAND NEW cars parked up ). I was safe, relieved and ecstatic. I went back KNOWING that the car had done 180mph. They confirmed 180.9mph. I went up to the lads (and Rod will remember this well) and just said, "Right, I'm off home now, because after that run, if anyone beats that, they're welcome to it
". The time was around 15.00, and with that, I just left (at the time I was supposed to be playing tennis with the woman at 19.00, otherwise I would have stayed and watched).With Mark's help (upping the boost to 2.5 bar), waiting until the ambients had dropped and some brake markers (Rod et al standing at the bottom of the runway, moving closer and closer to the tyre wall
), after several failed attempts, I got a phone call at 18.00 (just as I was pulling into Norwich after the 3 hour drive home), to say that Bruce had done 183mph (and had had to use the same run-off that I had used to do it ).Ever since then, Rod has begrudgingly respected the SCS Sapphire
.
22-03-2010 | 06:01 PM
#52
.It took 3 hours of trying EVERYTHING and a 10° drop in ambients before they finally hit 183mph, so who knows what I could have done in the same conditions - they were always 2-3mph behind me throughout the day in like for like conditions
.
,was a legend of a car 
22-03-2010 | 06:51 PM
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22-03-2010 | 06:56 PM
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Beleive me when i got the car it was a piece of SHIT...dodgy mot...fucked engine apparently after i was told it was top and tailed, an unstamped reshell which made it a ringer imo as the person who rebuilt it wouldnt give me a receipt for the shell even though it was apparently brand new from Ford
...so dont talk to me about being fucked off it got broke...BUT i got my money back from breaking it...except i sold my ferrari at a lower price to own this what i thought iconic car
VERY bad taste in ones mouth and mighty pissed off over it!
22-03-2010 | 08:42 PM
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The stupid part was leaving early .
It took 3 hours of trying EVERYTHING and a 10° drop in ambients before they finally hit 183mph, so who knows what I could have done in the same conditions - they were always 2-3mph behind me throughout the day in like for like conditions.
.It took 3 hours of trying EVERYTHING and a 10° drop in ambients before they finally hit 183mph, so who knows what I could have done in the same conditions - they were always 2-3mph behind me throughout the day in like for like conditions
.,The fault was me and not realising that 2.3 bar was not the boost it was mapped at as it was mapped in psi, a quike calc on bar to psi and me the twat
got it wrong so 1.5 turns on the act arm and all was sorted and theres now way it dropped 10c in temp but as you didnt wait we will never know if it made any diff.Mark
22-03-2010 | 08:44 PM
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22-03-2010 | 08:59 PM
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Nice story Mike. Great days! remember after that when Martin did 187 and you accused him of cheating and went properly 'TUV level of loosing' off on one at him!
Glad we all ended up as friends
Its NUTS how much faster Rod is going now... when you consider how much hard it is to put even another 1mph at over 180mph! Incredible...
Then you consider what those Porsches and Supras and that Ford GT are doing... and thats even more nuts!
Glad we all ended up as friends
Its NUTS how much faster Rod is going now... when you consider how much hard it is to put even another 1mph at over 180mph! Incredible...
Then you consider what those Porsches and Supras and that Ford GT are doing... and thats even more nuts!
22-03-2010 | 09:40 PM
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Nice story Mike. Great days! remember after that when Martin did 187 and you accused him of cheating and went properly 'TUV level of loosing' off on one at him!
Glad we all ended up as friends
Its NUTS how much faster Rod is going now... when you consider how much hard it is to put even another 1mph at over 180mph! Incredible...
Then you consider what those Porsches and Supras and that Ford GT are doing... and thats even more nuts!
Glad we all ended up as friends
Its NUTS how much faster Rod is going now... when you consider how much hard it is to put even another 1mph at over 180mph! Incredible...
Then you consider what those Porsches and Supras and that Ford GT are doing... and thats even more nuts!
.Mark
22-03-2010 | 09:43 PM
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Beleive me when i got the car it was a piece of SHIT...dodgy mot...fucked engine apparently after i was told it was top and tailed, an unstamped reshell which made it a ringer imo as the person who rebuilt it wouldnt give me a receipt for the shell even though it was apparently brand new from Ford...so dont talk to me about being fucked off it got broke...BUT i got my money back from breaking it...except i sold my ferrari at a lower price to own this what i thought iconic car VERY bad taste in ones mouth and mighty pissed off over it!
...so dont talk to me about being fucked off it got broke...BUT i got my money back from breaking it...except i sold my ferrari at a lower price to own this what i thought iconic car VERY bad taste in ones mouth and mighty pissed off over it!i was only pulling your leg phil,i thought thhat car was supposed to be mint after the reshell
22-03-2010 | 09:55 PM
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Not quite correct, the reason the boost was turned up was it wasnt high enough in the first place,
The fault was me and not realising that 2.3 bar was not the boost it was mapped at as it was mapped in psi, a quike calc on bar to psi and me the twatgot it wrong so 1.5 turns on the act arm and all was sorted and theres now way it dropped 10c in temp but as you didnt wait we will never know if it made any diff.
Mark
,The fault was me and not realising that 2.3 bar was not the boost it was mapped at as it was mapped in psi, a quike calc on bar to psi and me the twat
got it wrong so 1.5 turns on the act arm and all was sorted and theres now way it dropped 10c in temp but as you didnt wait we will never know if it made any diff.Mark
. I was their as one of Marks customers & not involved I remember the bar / psi debate & saying thats not right. Bruces car should have been the first past 185 with correct gearing something not considered back then. Mikes Saff was also way out on gearing & should have run 183+ that day. I realised that & did a few calcs & a few months later went there with 50bhp less than Bruce & beat Kev Sharps record at 183.2. All rwd records of course did not consider challenging Martin at that time.
22-03-2010 | 10:02 PM
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But thats not for here
Its gone dusted, i hold no grudges except i lost respect in a renowed top tuner who thought i got on with.
22-03-2010 | 10:10 PM
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Not sure then, even Mark has posted above its out of sync for him too. Who knows?
End of day its a 40sec video, not a 3 hour film, not the biggest deal in the world today is it lol
End of day its a 40sec video, not a 3 hour film, not the biggest deal in the world today is it lol
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22-03-2010 | 10:19 PM
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Are these vids working OK for others.
http://www.fastestcosworth.com/VIDEOS.htm
22-03-2010 | 11:22 PM
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Just tried the ones on your site, top one is perfectly in sync from what I can tell.
Next one down with Mark driving onboard, completly out of sync again, changes gear visually about 2 seconds before sound does.
5th gear one is fine.
The last one, the music made me fall asleep, showing your age there Rod.
Next one down with Mark driving onboard, completly out of sync again, changes gear visually about 2 seconds before sound does.
5th gear one is fine.
The last one, the music made me fall asleep, showing your age there Rod.
23-03-2010 | 08:09 AM
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Just tried the ones on your site, top one is perfectly in sync from what I can tell.
Next one down with Mark driving onboard, completly out of sync again, changes gear visually about 2 seconds before sound does.
5th gear one is fine.
The last one, the music made me fall asleep, showing your age there Rod.
Next one down with Mark driving onboard, completly out of sync again, changes gear visually about 2 seconds before sound does.
5th gear one is fine.
The last one, the music made me fall asleep, showing your age there Rod.
Thanks
I will go back to the orginal of the Brunters vid & edit it again, I hate the music as well but it was called Speed & i thought it might be OK
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23-03-2010 | 08:37 AM
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Not quite correct, the reason the boost was turned up was it wasnt high enough in the first place,
The fault was me and not realising that 2.3 bar was not the boost it was mapped at as it was mapped in psi, a quike calc on bar to psi and me the twatgot it wrong so 1.5 turns on the act arm and all was sorted and theres now way it dropped 10c in temp but as you didnt wait we will never know if it made any diff.
Mark
,The fault was me and not realising that 2.3 bar was not the boost it was mapped at as it was mapped in psi, a quike calc on bar to psi and me the twat
got it wrong so 1.5 turns on the act arm and all was sorted and theres now way it dropped 10c in temp but as you didnt wait we will never know if it made any diff.Mark
It took you 3 hours to calculate that? What were you using fingers and toes to work it out?
Those were the days though, when 500bhp was REALLY pushing the envelope
. Now it is considered to be the starting point .I agree with Lee's comment about Rod's car being now in a completely different league. If I had my Sapphire still and went up against Rod's car now, it would be like some fool turning up in a STANDARD car and challenging my 500bhp
.Lee,
I remember it well, but race fuel was race fuel
. Who would have thunk it, that we would all end up such good mates?
23-03-2010 | 08:04 PM
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23-03-2010 | 08:22 PM
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Although i agree its no big deal they are on my website so would like them working OK.
Are these vids working OK for others.
http://www.fastestcosworth.com/VIDEOS.htm
Are these vids working OK for others.
http://www.fastestcosworth.com/VIDEOS.htm
