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14-03-2010, 09:04 PM
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Yeah, if someone wants to put that shit into their body then, yeah, they deserve to die. They know the risks and the dangers. It's not that I WANT them to die, just more that I don't give a flying fuck when someone dies from a drugs overdose. In all honesty I usually find it quite funny.
And why were you telling me a story about your dad and cars?
And why were you telling me a story about your dad and cars?
14-03-2010, 09:14 PM
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Yeah, if someone wants to put that shit into their body then, yeah, they deserve to die. They know the risks and the dangers. It's not that I WANT them to die, just more that I don't give a flying fuck when someone dies from a drugs overdose. In all honesty I usually find it quite funny.
And why were you telling me a story about your dad and cars?
And why were you telling me a story about your dad and cars?
nobody deserves to die,,,,, but we all will one day and tbh i prefer that i enjoyed my life and can tell stories of things ive done,,, some good and some bad also but i have no real regrets,,,,well i have one major one but its happened and nothing can change that now
downside to people dying with drugs/fights ect is the other people that get affected by it but i do sort of see where your comming from
14-03-2010, 09:37 PM
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porkie, hope he made a recovery and has stopped doing silly things now
stoo, i probably do agree with you, but it's a lot harder to agree with you when you've been to funerals of people who knew and grew up with who have done the wrong thing (od'd), or have been on the wrong end of people who have taken the wrong things (shot dead by someone who was high), or have been selling the wrong things (shot in his car while dealing)
you also have to draw the line between legal and illegal highs
14-03-2010, 09:55 PM
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It depends where you draw the line though. Use the 'law' and the line is bollocks. Use common sense, and never do anything to excess.
I wouldn't touch this stuff. Probably would when I was younger, but not a chance now.
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14-03-2010, 10:04 PM
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drugs and drink fags yeh all can be addcited to it and cause problems
but what i think LHS220Turbo means is you a have a pint of beer you aint gonna peg out or have problems after it. with putting the other shit in your body then may the force be with you
before people jump on the wagon at me i dont care what people do its your body and ive done drugs. i just dont cant stand people who think its the best thing in the world thats just seriously sad
but what i think LHS220Turbo means is you a have a pint of beer you aint gonna peg out or have problems after it. with putting the other shit in your body then may the force be with you
before people jump on the wagon at me i dont care what people do its your body and ive done drugs. i just dont cant stand people who think its the best thing in the world thats just seriously sad
14-03-2010, 10:04 PM
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Right chaps,
It a remake of Kat, which has been consumed by native amercans for 100's of years. the big problem is people think as it's legal they can take as much as they want.
it's hardcore stuff, for you heart it like doing grade A coke, i mean 100% pure coke, it's the best drug which has come out in the last 10 years, but you have to be careful, just like would you neck half a bottle of voddy in one go, these twats are necking a G at a time., silly research you gear!!!!
I like it, but I don't take very much at a time, it will get band as due to cunt who cannot control them selfs.
chaps it's fucking hardcore, but your body can take it, I have known people taking 3 g a night, were I will only take 250mg in small amounts, but if you have a heart issue just like if you take good coke it will fuck you up.
just be safe guys, it's great fun, but just because it's legal does not mean it will not kill you.
It a remake of Kat, which has been consumed by native amercans for 100's of years. the big problem is people think as it's legal they can take as much as they want.
it's hardcore stuff, for you heart it like doing grade A coke, i mean 100% pure coke, it's the best drug which has come out in the last 10 years, but you have to be careful, just like would you neck half a bottle of voddy in one go, these twats are necking a G at a time., silly research you gear!!!!
I like it, but I don't take very much at a time, it will get band as due to cunt who cannot control them selfs.
chaps it's fucking hardcore, but your body can take it, I have known people taking 3 g a night, were I will only take 250mg in small amounts, but if you have a heart issue just like if you take good coke it will fuck you up.
just be safe guys, it's great fun, but just because it's legal does not mean it will not kill you.
Totally agee on all accounts there.
It will be the idiots that fuck it up for the rest.
14-03-2010, 10:11 PM
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But go down to any A&E on a weekend, and see what drug causes the most problems.
Just because alcohol is legal and highly socially acceptable, doesn't make it any safer, or more sensible than many other recreational drugs.
14-03-2010, 10:15 PM
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tbh i took this stuff thinking its over the counter and legal so its gonna be light weight ect
im sure alot of ppl have done the same the fact is it impairs your judgement/sences and kids/young adults are taking it you just have to look at people who are regular users to see what it does
and the long term effects? drug induced psychosis? long term depression? if people want to use it more for them but as for me my drug taking days are long gone
im sure alot of ppl have done the same the fact is it impairs your judgement/sences and kids/young adults are taking it you just have to look at people who are regular users to see what it does
and the long term effects? drug induced psychosis? long term depression? if people want to use it more for them but as for me my drug taking days are long gone
14-03-2010, 10:18 PM
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what i meant is one pint only - one line or one pill or one inhale of the crack pipe.
one will be fine the other could go seriously wrong.
i understand about the pissheads in hospital at weekends and all that jazz etc and legal non legal stuff.
though im sure if drugs were legal and everyone goes down the i dunno "crack house" for a quick half or a night out on it im sure it would be worse.
though a dodgy pint isnt gonna have you keel over to rat poison in ya line/pill or whatever is in it normally that your body has a sausage with it and you cant take it.
one will be fine the other could go seriously wrong.
i understand about the pissheads in hospital at weekends and all that jazz etc and legal non legal stuff.
though im sure if drugs were legal and everyone goes down the i dunno "crack house" for a quick half
or a night out on it im sure it would be worse.though a dodgy pint isnt gonna have you keel over to rat poison in ya line/pill or whatever is in it normally that your body has a sausage with it and you cant take it.
14-03-2010, 10:19 PM
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14-03-2010, 10:21 PM
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tbh i took this stuff thinking its over the counter and legal so its gonna be light weight ect
im sure alot of ppl have done the same the fact is it impairs your judgement/sences and kids/young adults are taking it you just have to look at people who are regular users to see what it does
and the long term effects? drug induced psychosis? long term depression? if people want to use it more for them but as for me my drug taking days are long gone
im sure alot of ppl have done the same the fact is it impairs your judgement/sences and kids/young adults are taking it you just have to look at people who are regular users to see what it does
and the long term effects? drug induced psychosis? long term depression? if people want to use it more for them but as for me my drug taking days are long gone
14-03-2010, 10:26 PM
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I would suggest that you are the naive one if that's what you believe.
It depends where you draw the line though. Use the 'law' and the line is bollocks. Use common sense, and never do anything to excess.
I wouldn't touch this stuff. Probably would when I was younger, but not a chance now.
It depends where you draw the line though. Use the 'law' and the line is bollocks. Use common sense, and never do anything to excess.
I wouldn't touch this stuff. Probably would when I was younger, but not a chance now.
nobody knows what is in each pill; nobody knows the real long term effects. (as far as i know)
the brain is extreamly complex and i would not want to put something that messes with the chemical balance of it!
14-03-2010, 10:37 PM
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It's heavy stuff, I used to be a reg user of mdma while it was still about so thought I'd give it a go. I bought 3g's, I bombed 300mg and on the come up sniffed 150mg. The rest was saved for another time, the come up was just like mdma, it was potent stuff. After the madness is was like a very strong coke high, and I finished the lot that night. 3g's, it is more moresh than coke so be careful-if I had 10g's I'm sure I'd have finished it. The bad effect's started an hour or so after the last line, and I didn't feel right for a week.
If I stuck to a fair dose 500mg? I'm sure it would have been better, but I couldn't leave it alone.
It's just like mdma mixed with good quality coke, honestly! madness
If I stuck to a fair dose 500mg? I'm sure it would have been better, but I couldn't leave it alone.
It's just like mdma mixed with good quality coke, honestly! madness
15-03-2010, 12:08 AM
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people think by making this a class a will stop it i bet there will be a new legal within day's of this been banned,its the chemical make up you see 
i bet there will be a new legal within day's of this been banned,its the chemical make up you see
15-03-2010, 02:58 AM
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never understood people that rely on drugs to have a good timeAnd that's where the government will fuck up. They will ban it and then people who got a taste for it like in '85 or so when Ecstasy was legal and banned will just go to the dodgy people on backs door steps or clubs where it could be cut with all crap and add to all the gun crime etc. They'd be better off keeping it legal and taxing it because lets be honest that's the only reason alcohol and nicotine are still legal, TAX, they are hardly safe, far from it. Even weed is getting mixed with glass or fibreglass, shocking really. A weak ish non dangerous drug like cannabis that kills piss all and they have it illegal yet one that kill 100,000+ are legal.
As for this topic its a shame some who don't really have a clue have to come in and say stuff like "why you need to do this in life" and turn it into a drug class and danger debate. It'll sound like I'm licking arse but at least there are some like JohnnyB and Ginge who actually know their stuff and can give people PROPER advice, Kiddie also who shared his experience.
Now I've not touched 'E or any of the others for a good few years but I'm tempted to get a bit of this just to see what it's like, if I do I'll post up how the two compare also. Cheers to those who posted up their experiences and tips on keeping the mg dose low, that's the kind of into/view you need on a subject like this.
P.S. - I'm watching the end of Human Traffic on BBC2 as I type this.
15-03-2010, 03:34 PM
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ROFL, that has to be one of the funniest things I've read in a long time on here, in fact I'm going to make it my sig.
There all drugs! Drugs are drugs and beer/alcohol kills more than most of them, people get addicted to it, need therapy, domestic violence, fights in town, waste of police hours and all the rest of it. The only difference is one is legal because its taxed, that's all.
And that's where the government will fuck up. They will ban it and then people who got a taste for it like in '85 or so when Ecstasy was legal and banned will just go to the dodgy people on backs door steps or clubs where it could be cut with all crap and add to all the gun crime etc. They'd be better off keeping it legal and taxing it because lets be honest that's the only reason alcohol and nicotine are still legal, TAX, they are hardly safe, far from it. Even weed is getting mixed with glass or fibreglass, shocking really. A weak ish non dangerous drug like cannabis that kills piss all and they have it illegal yet one that kill 100,000+ are legal.
As for this topic its a shame some who don't really have a clue have to come in and say stuff like "why you need to do this in life" and turn it into a drug class and danger debate. It'll sound like I'm licking arse but at least there are some like JohnnyB and Ginge who actually know their stuff and can give people PROPER advice, Kiddie also who shared his experience.
Now I've not touched 'E or any of the others for a good few years but I'm tempted to get a bit of this just to see what it's like, if I do I'll post up how the two compare also. Cheers to those who posted up their experiences and tips on keeping the mg dose low, that's the kind of into/view you need on a subject like this.
P.S. - I'm watching the end of Human Traffic on BBC2 as I type this.
There all drugs! Drugs are drugs and beer/alcohol kills more than most of them, people get addicted to it, need therapy, domestic violence, fights in town, waste of police hours and all the rest of it. The only difference is one is legal because its taxed, that's all.
And that's where the government will fuck up. They will ban it and then people who got a taste for it like in '85 or so when Ecstasy was legal and banned will just go to the dodgy people on backs door steps or clubs where it could be cut with all crap and add to all the gun crime etc. They'd be better off keeping it legal and taxing it because lets be honest that's the only reason alcohol and nicotine are still legal, TAX, they are hardly safe, far from it. Even weed is getting mixed with glass or fibreglass, shocking really. A weak ish non dangerous drug like cannabis that kills piss all and they have it illegal yet one that kill 100,000+ are legal.
As for this topic its a shame some who don't really have a clue have to come in and say stuff like "why you need to do this in life" and turn it into a drug class and danger debate. It'll sound like I'm licking arse but at least there are some like JohnnyB and Ginge who actually know their stuff and can give people PROPER advice, Kiddie also who shared his experience.
Now I've not touched 'E or any of the others for a good few years but I'm tempted to get a bit of this just to see what it's like, if I do I'll post up how the two compare also. Cheers to those who posted up their experiences and tips on keeping the mg dose low, that's the kind of into/view you need on a subject like this.
P.S. - I'm watching the end of Human Traffic on BBC2 as I type this.
ps human traffic is an amazing film
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15-03-2010, 05:42 PM
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It's heavy stuff, I used to be a reg user of mdma while it was still about so thought I'd give it a go. I bought 3g's, I bombed 300mg and on the come up sniffed 150mg. The rest was saved for another time, the come up was just like mdma, it was potent stuff. After the madness is was like a very strong coke high, and I finished the lot that night. 3g's, it is more moresh than coke so be careful-if I had 10g's I'm sure I'd have finished it. The bad effect's started an hour or so after the last line, and I didn't feel right for a week.
If I stuck to a fair dose 500mg? I'm sure it would have been better, but I couldn't leave it alone.
It's just like mdma mixed with good quality coke, honestly! madness
If I stuck to a fair dose 500mg? I'm sure it would have been better, but I couldn't leave it alone.
It's just like mdma mixed with good quality coke, honestly! madness
far to much mate, far to much, 250 to 300mg a night Max.
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I dont really like the sound of it. Seen people on it-not pretty sights.
A collegues 18yr old daughter has been taking it. She often has her mum and little brother up most of the night because shes screaming and smashing things up, threatens to kill her mum and gouge her eyes out if she goes to sleep. Calls her grandmother a stupid cunt, assaults her mum and her mums partner etc etc.
its ridiculous.
Theres no toxicology reports on it because not enough people have died yet to know what the lethal dose is etc.
It causes vasoconstriction so if people keep repeatedly dosing the blood with start to be restricted, fingers and toes first then legs and arms. Must put a lot of strain on the heart.
I prefer to research drugs and know exactly how its going to work before ill take it (be it legal or illegal) and theres limited info on this.
A collegues 18yr old daughter has been taking it. She often has her mum and little brother up most of the night because shes screaming and smashing things up, threatens to kill her mum and gouge her eyes out if she goes to sleep. Calls her grandmother a stupid cunt, assaults her mum and her mums partner etc etc.
its ridiculous.
Theres no toxicology reports on it because not enough people have died yet to know what the lethal dose is etc.
It causes vasoconstriction so if people keep repeatedly dosing the blood with start to be restricted, fingers and toes first then legs and arms. Must put a lot of strain on the heart.
I prefer to research drugs and know exactly how its going to work before ill take it (be it legal or illegal) and theres limited info on this.
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Honestly mate I did alot of research on bluelight etc before I tried it, and that was what they classed as a strong dose. I used to drop 250mg when I could get mdma crystals, and that was the perfect dose. Everybody's different, I personally love being off my rocker on the come up-and the mcat did it at that dose, although not as good in my eyes as the real deal (mdma). I planned on repeating the dose that night, however like I said becarefull it's very morish that's why I kept hitting it untill it was gone (stupidly)
It's good stuff, and sooooo much more like it than that shocking bzp stuff dealers were selling as mdma last year
It's good stuff, and sooooo much more like it than that shocking bzp stuff dealers were selling as mdma last year
15-03-2010, 08:33 PM
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MCAT A powerful psychoactive stimulant usually snorted but can be smoked and may be used by other routes.
The law
Currently it is illegal under medicines legislation to sell, supply or advertise these cathinone compounds for human consumption
Cathinone and some of its derivatives are already controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (e.g. Cathinone itself; Methcathinone), but most substituted cathinones are not controlled. These include: 4-Methylmethcathinone (Mephedrone, 4-MMC); 4-Methoxymethcathinone (Methadrone) and Methylone (the cathinone analogue of MDMA).
The law
Currently it is illegal under medicines legislation to sell, supply or advertise these cathinone compounds for human consumption
Cathinone and some of its derivatives are already controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (e.g. Cathinone itself; Methcathinone), but most substituted cathinones are not controlled. These include: 4-Methylmethcathinone (Mephedrone, 4-MMC); 4-Methoxymethcathinone (Methadrone) and Methylone (the cathinone analogue of MDMA).
17-03-2010, 06:04 PM
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Not enough is known about this for people to advise on harm reduction techniques around the use of it.
It's all guess work atm tbh and how it is being compared to others drugs.
Basicly all is known is that it is a stimulant and the effects are longer lasting and when people try to use again like can be done with Cocaine the bodies tolerances can not cope with the build up of Methadrone in it's system.
I am a drugs worker in prisons and the lad's are going mad for this shit upon release and sadly the less educated ones are Herion users who are mistakenly thinking this is a relative of Methadone and using it initialy to suppliment there Herion use only to find it brings on detox.
Should it be banned? doesnt matter as it will be, thats how our country is sadly, if it's seen as bad it's banned.
Education of the effects is needed around all substances for first time users tbh but putting a leaflet into a club toilet or a school around the safer ways of using drugs sadly would be seen as promoting use, bollox imo.
We only seem to be able to try and educate the experianced users and aid then in abstaining or support them in safer use, where the logic?
Not saying the answer is get them when young or at the start of drug use is the answer but is doing nothing with those same poeple working? no it isn't imo.
If people wish to use drugs then imo go and do so. I just think everyone has the right to be openly educated about the choice there about to make such as them choosing to use drugs may lead to them behaiving problemtaicly in the future and sadly eventualy a good percentage of substance use leads to offending behaviour.
I have waffled so I'm off lol
It's all guess work atm tbh and how it is being compared to others drugs.
Basicly all is known is that it is a stimulant and the effects are longer lasting and when people try to use again like can be done with Cocaine the bodies tolerances can not cope with the build up of Methadrone in it's system.
I am a drugs worker in prisons and the lad's are going mad for this shit upon release and sadly the less educated ones are Herion users who are mistakenly thinking this is a relative of Methadone and using it initialy to suppliment there Herion use only to find it brings on detox.
Should it be banned? doesnt matter as it will be, thats how our country is sadly, if it's seen as bad it's banned.
Education of the effects is needed around all substances for first time users tbh but putting a leaflet into a club toilet or a school around the safer ways of using drugs sadly would be seen as promoting use, bollox imo.
We only seem to be able to try and educate the experianced users and aid then in abstaining or support them in safer use, where the logic?
Not saying the answer is get them when young or at the start of drug use is the answer but is doing nothing with those same poeple working? no it isn't imo.
If people wish to use drugs then imo go and do so. I just think everyone has the right to be openly educated about the choice there about to make such as them choosing to use drugs may lead to them behaiving problemtaicly in the future and sadly eventualy a good percentage of substance use leads to offending behaviour.
I have waffled so I'm off lol
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