which cos next to do 200 then ? ? ?
09-01-2005, 04:47 PM
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Can we all back track to when bruce got the top speed record for 2wd?????? What was it you said rod? "Ive the record for the fastest 2wd SAPPHIRE!!" So maybe it was you that started changing the rules 
Oh how much fun that thread was with the "Ive the fastest 2wd magenta sapp on 17s"
DING DING ROUND 5!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh how much fun that thread was with the "Ive the fastest 2wd magenta sapp on 17s"
DING DING ROUND 5!!!!!!!!!!!
09-01-2005, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JimRS
Originally Posted by frog
If I drove a sapph @ 200mph at brunters, there would have to be gas somewhere for sure, but not where you'd expect it
09-01-2005, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny@RADesigns
Can we all back track to when bruce got the top speed record for 2wd?????? What was it you said rod? "Ive the record for the fastest 2wd SAPPHIRE!!" So maybe it was you that started changing the rules
The difference is I accepted I was beaten & beaten by a mile, big difference. I didnt say Bruces record didnt count cos he used Nitrous & I sent him an e-mail of congratulation the same evening. If you get beat take/accept it like a man.
Did it hurt, course it did, but I didnt bleat just built a car to get it back.
Its taken over 3 months to see that we also Hurt the opposition, its why Reyland/MAD have been the Best at this Caper. The Top Ten fastest times ever run by Cossies have come from these two Tuners.
Rod
09-01-2005, 05:19 PM
#164
Originally Posted by justin.e
Martin,
Rod fair play for doing the 200+ but without nos would have been cooler,I said this when you hit 200 and got shot down for it at the time
Rod fair play for doing the 200+ but without nos would have been cooler,I said this when you hit 200 and got shot down for it at the time
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09-01-2005, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MADRod
Originally Posted by Danny@RADesigns
Can we all back track to when bruce got the top speed record for 2wd?????? What was it you said rod? "Ive the record for the fastest 2wd SAPPHIRE!!" So maybe it was you that started changing the rules
The difference is I accepted I was beaten & beaten by a mile, big difference. I didnt say Bruces record didnt count cos he used Nitrous & I sent him an e-mail of congratulation the same evening. If you get beat take/accept it like a man.
Did it hurt, course it did, but I didnt bleat just built a car to get it back.
Its taken over 3 months to see that we also Hurt the opposition, its why Reyland/MAD have been the Best at this Caper. The Top Ten fastest times ever run by Cossies have come from these two Tuners.
Rod
top speed isnt everyones bag or maybe other people have bigger fish to fry ie Pikes Peak Mountune, RallyCross Titles Godfrey , Formula Ford or whatever it is the Bailly and Llyod cars raced in and Mister Norris 
09-01-2005, 05:55 PM
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There can be only two real categories:-
Top speed out of a bog standard car from each of the cosworth range - nothing to be physically replaced or removed - other than the blueprinting of the original factory fitted components and ecu fettling - and each car has to be able to be driven home under its own steam at the end of the event.
and then second category is "anything goes" - which all these record breakers fall under, as each has its own unique points and no two cars are the same, as none of them remotely resemble the original vehicle they are based on, and some of them Ford have never even laid a spanner on -so the only true aim has to be maximum speed at a designed location, therefore Rods is the current champion.
I would say the most respect I would have would be the person to be able to achieve the best from a bog standard model as this would prove their true engineering abilities.
Just my opinion - no doubt to be shot down in flames.
Top speed out of a bog standard car from each of the cosworth range - nothing to be physically replaced or removed - other than the blueprinting of the original factory fitted components and ecu fettling - and each car has to be able to be driven home under its own steam at the end of the event.
and then second category is "anything goes" - which all these record breakers fall under, as each has its own unique points and no two cars are the same, as none of them remotely resemble the original vehicle they are based on, and some of them Ford have never even laid a spanner on -so the only true aim has to be maximum speed at a designed location, therefore Rods is the current champion.
I would say the most respect I would have would be the person to be able to achieve the best from a bog standard model as this would prove their true engineering abilities.
Just my opinion - no doubt to be shot down in flames.
09-01-2005, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MADRod
The Top Ten fastest times ever run by Cossies have come from these two Tuners.
Rod
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09-01-2005, 06:01 PM
#172
Originally Posted by Kev.H
there are other tuners that could do it top speed isnt everyones bag or maybe other people have bigger fish to fry ie Pikes Peak Mountune, RallyCross Titles Godfrey , Formula Ford or whatever it is the Bailly and Llyod cars raced in and Mister Norris
top speed isnt everyones bag or maybe other people have bigger fish to fry ie Pikes Peak Mountune, RallyCross Titles Godfrey , Formula Ford or whatever it is the Bailly and Llyod cars raced in and Mister Norris Its got to be done not assumed.
Rod
ps. Im going to bale out of this now as its all rather pointless, Good couple of Hours sport got to get back to reality for a bit .
Read the sig below for the facts not the coulds or mights.
09-01-2005, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MADRod
Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
then you agree with what i said....SPEED is your actual aim, not the cossie record!
As i say Rod, i do respect and admire you and your car, i just done beleive IN MY PERSONAL OPINION you hold the record. Sorry m8
As i say Rod, i do respect and admire you and your car, i just done beleive IN MY PERSONAL OPINION you hold the record. Sorry m8
1/ Mine 201.8 on Nitrous so out
2/ Martin 194.7 not a YB Block & on Race Fuel so out.
3/ Bruce 191.6 on Nitrous so out.
4/Adrian 185.5 cant think of owt wrong with that one, Still hes a MAD car so we still hold the record.
Your a riot mate a real clown.
What ya should have done was just beat martins record properly in the first place, then none of the bitchin would have started. Why not build an engine capable of doing 200mph??? PROPER engineering instead of one that needs a massive shot of nos?
09-01-2005, 06:18 PM
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nos to me is just the same as a turbo 
, adds more air to the engine to allow more fuel to allow the engine to turn faster
whats the diference top that and race fuel, its not a road going car if either of them are used as there not used all the time !!!! ( ok road going not the best example but ya get what i mean !)
i got the fastest car as when im in mine and i boot it my face goes white, i have been in faster cars and i dont feel like that when others are driving
car we confirm 1 thing though !!!!!!
the fastest car ARE white
, adds more air to the engine to allow more fuel to allow the engine to turn faster whats the diference top that and race fuel, its not a road going car if either of them are used as there not used all the time !!!! ( ok road going not the best example but ya get what i mean !)
i got the fastest car as when im in mine and i boot it my face goes white, i have been in faster cars and i dont feel like that when others are driving
car we confirm 1 thing though !!!!!!
the fastest car ARE white
09-01-2005, 06:21 PM
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lol ginge! The cosworth is a turbo'd car....not a nitrosed one! Its has a FUEL tank. It IS a race to the end of the runway,,so why not race fuel? its still fuel.
Im still sticking with my point on strapping a jet to the back
Im still sticking with my point on strapping a jet to the back
09-01-2005, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
lol ginge! The cosworth is a turbo'd car....not a nitrosed one! Its has a FUEL tank. It IS a race to the end of the runway,,so why not race fuel? its still fuel.
Im still sticking with my point on strapping a jet to the back
Im still sticking with my point on strapping a jet to the back
i agree, why use road legal tyres if ya dont cant use em on the road, race fuel aint legal on the road so it carnt be in the smae leaque as rods car as thats a road going car
either admit rod won and holds the top speed REGARDLESs how it was done or make it totally road going spec and try again, rods and martins cars are 2 different cars !!!!!
why are we comparing em
09-01-2005, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee Reynolds
Great....sunnys fez goes fast, but i have more respect for the likes of christian who has retained the original type engine and gone a little slower...imo that is the true record. 
Just jesting mate...everyone entitled to their opinion mate
....makes no odds to me as I aint doing it to be the fastest RST....infact the fact that I was for so long was a bonus, next people will be saying it's not FWD anymore. All this bollox about who's fastest or not with or without nos, race fuel pump fuel or fart gas makes no odds. I think everyone is setting their own rules however as a result they are producing facts such as Rod's is fastest over-all Cossie ....end of subject, Martin's is the fastest without NOS, and Kev's is the fastest 1/4 with NOS etc etc etc. Who cares man.....use these facts and use them in debate against other non-ford enthusiasts not against each other.
09-01-2005, 06:56 PM
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use these facts and use them in debate against other non-ford enthusiasts not against each other.
I'm now going down the pub
p.s. Sunny, may I draw your attention to this
Are we certain that the next Ford to 200mph, will be YB, and not Zetec?
09-01-2005, 07:04 PM
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Well said sunny yeah we should Like ya say, we all have our own opinions on things. I havent in any way put down any work you and rod etc have done, as ive said before, its amazing and you both deserve full credit and respect where its due. I just disagree on the record side of things thats all. We will have to agree wo disagree on it.....dont wanna fall out...i just hate it when you cant have an opinion without someone calling ya for it......we all differ
Good luck with whatever ya trying to acheive, im sure it will be sommat special
Like ya say, we all have our own opinions on things. I havent in any way put down any work you and rod etc have done, as ive said before, its amazing and you both deserve full credit and respect where its due. I just disagree on the record side of things thats all. We will have to agree wo disagree on it.....dont wanna fall out...i just hate it when you cant have an opinion without someone calling ya for it......we all differ Good luck with whatever ya trying to acheive, im sure it will be sommat special
09-01-2005, 07:07 PM
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Hi Bernie, wed/thu...expect me dude. I aint seen anyone or been anywhere since comming back from India. It's just work work work.....keep that kettle on dude.
Regards to the Zetec.....no comment mate, if it happens it happens but as you know I am more of a do'er than a talker. I will try my best as you know and hopefully everything goes to plan and my new engine will be much more powerful than the last. This time I am not prepared to jump into things without proper testing like I did last year just for the sake of turning up and representing the Ford's at thrashes and events like TOTB.
200mph is a hell of alot easier to achieve in any cossie.....having balls is one thing but the fear of actully taking off at 180mph+ in a bean tin is another. Rest assured....I aint comming off that fooking throttle though no matter what. 
Lee - thanks and totally agree mate....like I said mate, each to their own dude.
Sunny.
Regards to the Zetec.....no comment mate, if it happens it happens but as you know I am more of a do'er than a talker.
I will try my best as you know and hopefully everything goes to plan and my new engine will be much more powerful than the last. This time I am not prepared to jump into things without proper testing like I did last year just for the sake of turning up and representing the Ford's at thrashes and events like TOTB.200mph is a hell of alot easier to achieve in any cossie.....having balls is one thing but the fear of actully taking off at 180mph+ in a bean tin is another.
Rest assured....I aint comming off that fooking throttle though no matter what. Lee - thanks and totally agree mate....like I said mate, each to their own dude.
Sunny.
09-01-2005, 07:26 PM
#186
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
Originally Posted by Kev.H
question : Martin so do you not accept Kevin Sharps 1/4 Mile Figure as he uses NOS ????
i think most people dont realise how much of an increase a small amount of nos makes and how long it does'nt last.
mine is the fastest 1/4 mile uk escort cossie i know of .......(with a cossie engine
) without gas 10.88@130mph yours dont count as you had 400cc more and it not a yb
so thats my rules
09-01-2005, 07:27 PM
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All I would like to say is respect to Mr Sharp for being daft enough to do 183.3 with standard brakes and suspension!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
G
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09-01-2005, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Taz
All I would like to say is respect to Mr Sharp for being daft enough to do 183.3 with standard brakes and suspension!!!!!!!!!!!!!
G
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im sure ya could prob even brake from 160+ with just a hand brake and gears ( if ya mental AND crazy that is
)
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Originally Posted by b19bal
Originally Posted by Taz
All I would like to say is respect to Mr Sharp for being daft enough to do 183.3 with standard brakes and suspension!!!!!!!!!!!!!
G
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im sure ya could prob even brake from 160+ with just a hand brake and gears ( if ya mental AND crazy that is
)You try 183 standard then
09-01-2005, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by b19bal
Originally Posted by Taz
All I would like to say is respect to Mr Sharp for being daft enough to do 183.3 with standard brakes and suspension!!!!!!!!!!!!!
G
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im sure ya could prob even brake from 160+ with just a hand brake and gears ( if ya mental AND crazy that is
) all well and good if you have an infinite stopping distance...
brunters is based on BHP and balls for the top speed.
the longer you stay on the throttle the higher the top speed youll get.... but the less distance you'll be left with to stop!!
09-01-2005, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by M Brian
Originally Posted by b19bal
Originally Posted by Taz
All I would like to say is respect to Mr Sharp for being daft enough to do 183.3 with standard brakes and suspension!!!!!!!!!!!!!
G
G
im sure ya could prob even brake from 160+ with just a hand brake and gears ( if ya mental AND crazy that is
) all well and good if you have an infinite stopping distance...
brunters is based on BHP and balls for the top speed.
the longer you stay on the throttle the higher the top speed youll get.... but the less distance you'll be left with to stop!!
hows that bollox ??????
yes braking distance is a big factor, i never denied it wasnt !!!!!
but i promise ya you can use standard brakes but the braking will tke longer and agai ya can stop from 160+ with a hand brake and gears at brunters as sunny done it ( obv not what he wated to but he never had a choice !!!)
hope that explains a but betterm karl has standard breaks on his cossie and aslong as us dont over heat em ( takes longer to brake) then you will stop
correct me if im wrong, whats the reason why ya need biger breaks !!!!!
to stop quicker, not to stop full stop !!!!!
09-01-2005, 07:50 PM
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ginge belave me your need brakes big fookers at that
i think at 200 mph ya doing around 100m per second am sure the techy guys will do the maths involved
and braking from around 300/400m your got around 4 secs to slow down
and when you got aload of park cars coming at you like no 2moz it makes u think
i think at 200 mph ya doing around 100m per second am sure the techy guys will do the maths involved
and braking from around 300/400m your got around 4 secs to slow down
and when you got aload of park cars coming at you like no 2moz it makes u think
09-01-2005, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
ginge belave me your need brakes big fookers at that
i think at 200 mph ya doing around 100m per second am sure the techy guys will do the maths involved
and braking from around 300/400m your got around 4 secs to slow down
and when you got aload of park cars coming at you like no 2moz it makes u think
i think at 200 mph ya doing around 100m per second am sure the techy guys will do the maths involved
and braking from around 300/400m your got around 4 secs to slow down
and when you got aload of park cars coming at you like no 2moz it makes u think
), dont think hes gonna try it again for me just to prove me right though
09-01-2005, 07:58 PM
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i wasnt talking about brunters
ive never actually done a top speed run either and i dont intend to use standard brakes as brom well knows !!!! ( got fook all to do with saftey though, just looks )
why not remove the parked cars and ill try, whos gonna loan me there car for the day
ive never actually done a top speed run either and i dont intend to use standard brakes as brom well knows !!!! ( got fook all to do with saftey though, just looks
)why not remove the parked cars and ill try, whos gonna loan me there car for the day
09-01-2005, 08:01 PM
#196
Originally Posted by b19bal
Originally Posted by BROM@ZOO
ginge belave me your need brakes big fookers at that
i think at 200 mph ya doing around 100m per second am sure the techy guys will do the maths involved
and braking from around 300/400m your got around 4 secs to slow down
and when you got aload of park cars coming at you like no 2moz it makes u think
i think at 200 mph ya doing around 100m per second am sure the techy guys will do the maths involved
and braking from around 300/400m your got around 4 secs to slow down
and when you got aload of park cars coming at you like no 2moz it makes u think
), dont think hes gonna try it again for me just to prove me right though big brakes are far better than smaller brakes even on a road car fact
cozzy brakes are dangous standard they get hot to quick and fade
a car will brake as fast as it will untill it skids this is covend by wieght tranfree to the front wheels and how good the tyres are
you will see when you get them on your car how much they improve the car
even on the road
09-01-2005, 08:05 PM
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if we broke at your pace we wud all be dead
big brakes are far better than smaller brakes even on a road car fact
cozzy brakes are dangous standard they get hot to quick and fade
a car will brake as fast as it will untill it skids this is covend by wieght tranfree to the front wheels and how good the tyres are
you will see when you get them on your car how much they improve the car
even on the road
big brakes are far better than smaller brakes even on a road car fact
cozzy brakes are dangous standard they get hot to quick and fade
a car will brake as fast as it will untill it skids this is covend by wieght tranfree to the front wheels and how good the tyres are
you will see when you get them on your car how much they improve the car
even on the road
i dissagree as the kevin has proved me right
but i do also agree that bigger brakes are better for FASTER braking, i dont use standard brakes, i got standard cossie brakes with fast road pads and 40 groove disks and i still dont think there safe !!!!, hence why im upping em but i can stop with them on a motorway, the do fade abit on the a507 which is duel carridge ways and roundabouts, infact switch faded em abit on there
i agree its niot a good idea, it can be done and has been, just takes longer (and also cadence braking
)
09-01-2005, 08:21 PM
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no i said that ya dont need em IF ya take ya time braking !!!!!!
but its a better idea to have em !!! then ya can shorten the braking distance and they ARE needed it ya on and off the brakes alot !!!!!!
long straight line with eniugh braking distance then ya dont need em !!!!
read the post again bromster
bhig brakes look
though , thnats why im gettign em as i drive too slow to need big brakes
but its a better idea to have em !!! then ya can shorten the braking distance and they ARE needed it ya on and off the brakes alot !!!!!!
long straight line with eniugh braking distance then ya dont need em !!!!
read the post again bromster
bhig brakes look
though , thnats why im gettign em as i drive too slow to need big brakes