OldDan

Anyone done this? Got a pain of a car in work at the moment that we are turning into a track day toy.

I've only just got on board with it, and loom has been cut at fuse box.

Now it runs EDIS4, no ecu. It is a 1.8 Zetec and runs a set of Dell'ortos.

What will I need to get this up and running? Coilpack is there with connector, I assume I'll need 36-1 crank trigger wheel and sensor..? The engine actually runs a crank position sensor so can this be used along with flywheel?

Struggling to get my head around it really with it not running an ECU - I assume it's an carb'd model as standard... unless it's been ripped out but I can't find the big multi pin plug connector on the loom anyway.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

OldDan

Also reading you can run EDIS without an ECU...

OldDan

UP for the 2 hour later crew.

massivewangers

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It ran when it first came in

It's a carb 1.1 shell, the loom was just a complete hodge podge of Zetec bits spliced (very badly) into the carb loom I think...

OldDan

It's a nightmare! Thus has been at it with a solder iron!

Dlatch!

www.locostbuilders.co.uk

loads of zetec on carbs people there

749steve

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ive done a couple of these the edis loom from a mk4 escort 1.3 hcs just unplugs from the main loom. it will run a zetec on carbs no problems and wires in using just 2 or 3 wires

massivewangers

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Disaster from day one that car!

The guy who put the engine in bodged it completely to begin with, some of the people who took it apart (when I wasn't there) made it even worse by not making any note of what things did, and then it all sat in a corner of the workshop for six months instead of being sorted.

Was supposed to be my baby that car as I was the Ford person, they had a guy who was willing to pay to race it, but they dragged their heels on the whole thing.

They liked it even less when I gave them the list of parts that needed to be replaced. The suspension is all scrap...

OldDan

Not even looked at the suspension yet!

It had a set of Gaz struts when I had a quick look underneath - are they to cock?

dlatch - I will check out the link, Thanks!

749 Steve - HCS???? What are the wires for? Coilpack and Crank Sensor, can they use the existing crank sensor and flywheel?

749steve

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this may help

http://www.autosportlabs.net/MJLJ_V3...allation_guide

OldDan

Mucher clearer -Thanks steve.

749steve

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mk 4 escort 1.3 push rod engine(1989-1991)

find one in the scrap yard you need the edis module follow the wiring which goes to the coilpack and crank position sensor and the passanger inner wing behind the headlight the wiring just unplugs from the main car loom. it has 12v power, earth and i cant remember what the third wire does.
it will run off the zetec coil pack and cps fine
im just helping a mate put bike carbs on a zetec powered mk3 at the minute and ive done a zetec powered mk4 van a few years back

hope this helps

massivewangers

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Yeah Gaz struts, RST front brakes. It's all just been painted and chucked back on. The lower arms weren't that special, I'm not sure the wheel bearings were either. I only messed with a couple of the shocks, but the adjusters didn't do anything. I have a feeling you could just compress it and it didn't make any attempt to return.

I wouldn't go near a track in that thing to be honest, not til it's been done properly, but they wouldn't let me spend anything on it

749steve

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if i was closer i would of come accross and got it running for you. i often get called by my mates garage for this sort of old school job. ive also recently put a full escort rs turbo loom into a mk2 xr2

OldDan

Thanks for the offer Steve. This is one hell of a job going by the state of the loom!

Jon - they asked me today if I wanted a donor car to build it back up so I think they're gonna get t done properly! Well, they will if I'm doing it

massivewangers

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Seem to have got their act together a bit more this year by the sounds of it. Be nice to see it done properly!

749steve

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what car is it?

OldDan

It is a Mk3 Fiesta

Zetec_mk4_XR3i

i've got the bit of loom removed from a mk4 Escort for sale - pm me if you interested

OldDan

For EDIS? Already got all of that, cheers though.

hillzy2k

it does plug straight in and run, but runs like a sack of crap at idle because the timing isnt advanced enough. zetec runs about 14 degrees static where a hcs runs about 6-8. you need the vacuum conection and possibly modify the cps carrier to move the cspe back to get the advance. or buy the proper management from the likes of webcon. the difference is immense!!!!

Oranoco

We had no problem in my mates XR2 on z Zetec and carbs using the EDIS. Pretty sure the one we used came out of a mk5 Escort. Bit of a lash up but it was only a temp fix.

hillzy2k

saw that 1 at fiesta in the park last year!! not bad at all.

Chip

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If you run edis with no ecu then IIRC it will run 10 degrees of timing all the time, which will load you LOADS of power, you'd make more power and get FAR better economy just leaving it on standard fuel injection im sure.

TWoods

absolutely true, you can run edis without ecu it just pegs the timing at fixed default value which is enough to make it run kind of 'base map' if you like.

mobb-black

you could get megajolt for around hundred quid? wires straight onto an EDIS 4 unit and zetec coil pack. All it needs it CPS signal and Throttle position sensor. If you get ZX9 carbs they have a TPS sensor for the Kawasaki version of EDIS lol. ebay a manifold for 30 quid and a set of carbs for about 50 -80. If its mk3 it'll prob go thru the MOT ok if its pre-cat

dave

OldDan

Old thread, they didnt want to chuck any money at it so it wasn't done. Got it running though.

hillzy2k

people your getting confused. the RED EDIS module is for carb models, no ecu required, timing set for 1.0/1.1/1.3/1.4 fiesta/escorts. (gives crap idle on zetec) the BLACK EDIS module is for injection EECIV cars that will run but timing will be set for LOS. megajolt piggybacks to the black type module.