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22-02-2010, 08:19 AM
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Fao carlo
Sorry to bother you again about the bmw sensors. Could you confirm what the part number is for the front sensors. Euro car parts dont want to sell them till the part number is confirmed as you cant return them if used obviously. It is based on the 528 as per last weeks thread. I will check back here later as i am using my shitty phone to type this! Cheers m8
22-02-2010, 09:23 AM
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22-02-2010, 12:29 PM
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Sorry for theadjacking.
Thats good to know as I have fitted a E60 M5 V10 (500bhp) to Ford Expadition, just have a couple of question, for late on.
Simon.
Simon.
keep it on this thread & alex can help as well it dosent sound straight forward
22-02-2010, 05:56 PM
#17
Okay, this is where I have got -
The engine does fit.
Going on aftermarket ECU.
Moddified the sump to clear the front diff.
I see that there are 2 electric scavange pumps on the side of the sump to scavange the heads. Are these variable speed or just "on off". 2 wires on each.
Pectel do the SQ6 which has 12 ignition outputs so can retain coil on plug.
Haltech Plat sport 2000 will do 6 ign outputs so can go wasted spark.
Both have plenty of injector outputs for sequenshal fuelling.
Both recognise the crank trigger patern.
Pectel will do Vanos on both inlet and exhaust cam
Haltech will do Vanos on inlet but not exhaust cam so whats the deal with exhaust Vanos delete?
I am getting a Flexiplate made to use the M5 starter and ring gear but bolting the Ford torque converter to it. Is the E60 M5 flywheel size and ring gear unique to the M5? I dont have the one, so cant check.
Am doing away with twin DBW motors and setting up a mechanical mechanism.
Not going to run with the twin AFMs going to try it on TPS.
Feel free to point out any issues.
Simon.
The engine does fit.
Going on aftermarket ECU.
Moddified the sump to clear the front diff.
I see that there are 2 electric scavange pumps on the side of the sump to scavange the heads. Are these variable speed or just "on off". 2 wires on each.
Pectel do the SQ6 which has 12 ignition outputs so can retain coil on plug.
Haltech Plat sport 2000 will do 6 ign outputs so can go wasted spark.
Both have plenty of injector outputs for sequenshal fuelling.
Both recognise the crank trigger patern.
Pectel will do Vanos on both inlet and exhaust cam
Haltech will do Vanos on inlet but not exhaust cam so whats the deal with exhaust Vanos delete?
I am getting a Flexiplate made to use the M5 starter and ring gear but bolting the Ford torque converter to it. Is the E60 M5 flywheel size and ring gear unique to the M5? I dont have the one, so cant check.
Am doing away with twin DBW motors and setting up a mechanical mechanism.
Not going to run with the twin AFMs going to try it on TPS.
Feel free to point out any issues.
Simon.
22-02-2010, 08:55 PM
#18
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Hi Simon,
Sounds like an interesting project! So please take the following as advice and not trying to piss on your bonfire
I'll look into the scavenge pumps... but are you aware the main oil pump is ECU controlled and ECU driven?
Same for the fuel pumps - you'll probably have to modify the fuel rails and fit a return line and pressure regulator.
Your going to need a very special torque convert to spin at the RPM an S85 can run to - its the reason BMW didn't release an automatic for the US market. Something about the oil caveatting above 7k rpm? Not sure what the drag racers run in terms of converts or even what RPMs their engine run to....
The coils on the engine are not your std setup at all. They run Ionic Knock Control... but it should be easy enough to find a coil-on-plug alternative that the Pectel or Haltech can drive.
I wouldn't think deleting the exh VANOS would be simple and you might find the engine doesn't run very well without it. There is a huge amount of adjustment in there. For an auto your going to need a smooth idle and low down torque that VANOS enhances?
How are you going to map the engine? It will take hours of dyno time to get the same performance out of it compared to the std ECU.
Alex
Sounds like an interesting project! So please take the following as advice and not trying to piss on your bonfire
I'll look into the scavenge pumps... but are you aware the main oil pump is ECU controlled and ECU driven?
Same for the fuel pumps - you'll probably have to modify the fuel rails and fit a return line and pressure regulator.
Your going to need a very special torque convert to spin at the RPM an S85 can run to - its the reason BMW didn't release an automatic for the US market. Something about the oil caveatting above 7k rpm? Not sure what the drag racers run in terms of converts or even what RPMs their engine run to....
The coils on the engine are not your std setup at all. They run Ionic Knock Control... but it should be easy enough to find a coil-on-plug alternative that the Pectel or Haltech can drive.
I wouldn't think deleting the exh VANOS would be simple and you might find the engine doesn't run very well without it. There is a huge amount of adjustment in there. For an auto your going to need a smooth idle and low down torque that VANOS enhances?
How are you going to map the engine? It will take hours of dyno time to get the same performance out of it compared to the std ECU.
Alex
22-02-2010, 09:47 PM
#19
No no all comments looked into objectively
The engine rpm and torque converter is an issue I have not looked at yet(fair point). However will look at a Supra one to see how they perform. Had one on the dyno at 8.5k.
The oil pump is mechanical just have to work out the oil control system.
Fuel rails, should pose no real issue to re-plumb.
The Vanos delete as you say is very much a backward step. I must admit I have not looked at the operation of Vanos in great detail yet.
I am very much looking forward to mapping it. It will be a challenge to see if I can get it near to its original power with all the simplifaction of the control systems.
Simon.
The engine rpm and torque converter is an issue I have not looked at yet(fair point). However will look at a Supra one to see how they perform. Had one on the dyno at 8.5k.
The oil pump is mechanical just have to work out the oil control system.
Fuel rails, should pose no real issue to re-plumb.
The Vanos delete as you say is very much a backward step. I must admit I have not looked at the operation of Vanos in great detail yet.
I am very much looking forward to mapping it. It will be a challenge to see if I can get it near to its original power with all the simplifaction of the control systems.
Simon.
01-03-2010, 10:58 AM
#22
Okay, what I need to know at the moment is - the ring gear on the M5 what is it the same as? ie same as previous M5s or other 5 series?
I dont have the flywheel.
Simon.
I dont have the flywheel.
Simon.
01-03-2010, 11:24 AM
#24
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Oh hang on you mean starter motor ring gear?
Just in case I've checked an engine - the crank position sensor trigger pattern is absolutly 60-2 and the tigger wheel is part of the flywheel. It looks like the sensors mounted in the gearbox bell housing.
Just in case I've checked an engine - the crank position sensor trigger pattern is absolutly 60-2 and the tigger wheel is part of the flywheel. It looks like the sensors mounted in the gearbox bell housing.
01-03-2010, 11:56 AM
#25
That would make sense as I can see no sensor or pick up boss on the engine. Thanks.
I am wanting to know the pitch on the ring gear, or what other BMWs are the same ref size of dia
As getting a flexiplate made.
I am wanting to know the pitch on the ring gear, or what other BMWs are the same ref size of dia
As getting a flexiplate made.
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