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Old 07-01-2010, 05:45 PM
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Default Astra 1.7 TD (Mk3) Slow cold start?

My Astra van is crap in the cold, takes absoloutly ages to start, I have to crank it over and over, even after giving it 3-4 goes of glow plugs inbetween each start attempt.... The only thing I can think of is that the glow plugs are shot, as the van ran fine if a tad lumpy for the first few seconds, but in this weather it's awful...

How much are a set of glow plugs usually, and how difficult is it to change them?
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isuzu motor?
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check to make sure the glow plugs are actually getting a live feed!
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Not a clue mate, it's R reg? Not even opened the bonnet since I bought it in september
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if its the isuzu lump, with the word "turbo" in red on top...

its 99% valve clearances, really common prob with that lump. they are shimmed, and thers a special tool to do the job without lifting the head.

obviously check glow plug/timer first
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Hmmm The lad who sold it to me said he had just done the top end.. Every chance it could be that. Is a bit crap on fuel as well, and not very fast, does just under 100 flat out, does that sound like the valves?

Other thing is he said he turned the actuator down to save fuel, does this actually help on a TD or just mean it hasn't got the boost for the fuel?

(I know fuck all about diesels )
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the cheapest most cost effective way of getting your old stager's donkey to crack over is to squirt the bradex up its hooter.

i have had trannys whereby i wasn't gonna spend 100 smackers on a battery and the scrappys were short of 10 quid specials, a cheep ol' can of bradex would start the qe2 never mind a diesel tranny on a frosty morn with its aromatic blend of deoderant.
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Originally Posted by cozzfather
the cheapest most cost effective way of getting your old stager's donkey to crack over is to squirt the bradex up its hooter.

i have had trannys whereby i wasn't gonna spend 100 smackers on a battery and the scrappys were short of 10 quid specials, a cheep ol' can of bradex would start the qe2 never mind a diesel tranny on a frosty morn with its aromatic blend of deoderant.
lol !
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as james said prob shimms if it a isuze lump another way of seeing what lump it is just look at where the exhaust manifold is,if at the front isuze at the back vauxhall lump!

i aint seen one of these engines for years,but as i remember its always the exhaust ones that need adjusting think the inlet should be 6 thou and exhaust 10thou
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100mph? fuck sake your doing well at that! watch and not break the rockers!
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Why would shims cause bad cold start? Not opening the valves far enough or too much loosing compression?
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Originally Posted by andy888
100mph? fuck sake your doing well at that! watch and not break the rockers!
they are OHC
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Why would shims cause bad cold start? Not opening the valves far enough or too much loosing compression?
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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Why would shims cause bad cold start? Not opening the valves far enough or too much loosing compression?
as i remeber they dont open enough as usually are too loose!but sometimes they can tight more often then not they will be loose on the exhaust side i seem to remember
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Try glowplugs first, The cheap and easy option.
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i have had diesel astras that go down on glow plugs with a proper cold snap also if the battery can't take the cold.
the topic is slow cold start and i never heard of glow plugs slowing the start.

if it turns over fast but won't go straight away i'd check the glow plugs yeah.

i much prefer the isuzu to the low blow vx,them low blows are slow running never mind starting and they do not do the big miles like a izuzu.
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Sorry, by slow starting I mean it has to be cranked for ages, normally needs a good 30-40 secs with re-heats of the glow plugs inbetween star attempts.. Turn over speed is normal, I'm surprised the battery is lasting as I do loads of very short trips, seems strong as an ox.. Going to go for a play with the glow plugs, because as soon as it's run for a few seconds, it starts dead easy until it is stone cold again...
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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments
they are OHC
and? high reving these engines breaks the rockers! at 100mph its reving high for a derv!!!
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get the fuel filter changed its surprising how big a part a fuel filter plays on a diesel, easy and cheap to do and may actually solve all the problems, had similar on a n/a astra 1700 vx diesel, gutless as hell, lazy to start and veryy smoky, took filter out replaced in 5 mins, put some injector cleaner in the new filtyer, started her up, a coughj a and splutter and was perfect after tgat
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Right, it's the vauxhall engine not Isuzu
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i would change the fuel filter too
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and airfiler, that will help economy
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Fixed! One glow plug was duff, replaced two as while the difficult one was out thought might as well. Starts from stone cold on one glowplug cycle now! Thanks for all the help!!
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Originally Posted by andy888
and? high reving these engines breaks the rockers! at 100mph its reving high for a derv!!!


the engine i am talking about has no rockers, the cam shaft acts on the shimmed lifter directly, there is no rocker invloved...

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Originally Posted by RWD_cossie_wil
Fixed! One glow plug was duff, replaced two as while the difficult one was out thought might as well. Starts from stone cold on one glowplug cycle now! Thanks for all the help!!
nice when they are that easy lol
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