andyescos

Has anyone got any knowledge of these kits, they're in the Demon Thieves catalogue for about £1500 and come with all sensors, looms, ecu and 48 carbs etc. I'm planning on putting it onto an XE Vauxhall lump for my new RWD Fezza and wondering if anyone else has any experiance with em?
180 n/a BHP for £1500 sounds allright to me?
Andy

GARETH T

dont bother,, buy a set of carbs and an emerald

i think im right in saying that the weber alpha stuff cant be flash programmed so it need to be emulated and burnt to a chip for mapping,, the same way you do it with cossie stuff

GARETH T

thinking about it,, you might aswell buy a set of throttle bodies and the emerald ecu

andyescos

how much? and will it work on a standardish engine?

GARETH T

not sure on price,, but it should come in less than 1500 quid

plus when you make upgrades to the engine (head cams bla bla) there is lots of tuners out there who can tune it, including dave walker who mad the ecu (and his prices are very good)

you could even do it yourself which is the most fun

andyescos

Can I run my laptop through it, and is that price with carbs too?

zoso11

yep il 2nd that..

GARETH T

you could get throttle bodies aswell!

and yes could run your laptop,, but couldnt with the alpha

GARETH T

Emerald ECU M3DK...(includes: loom plug and pins, ............................................softwa re, comms lead and manual )

£550 which i think is a steal


http://www.emeraldm3d.com
have a look for yourself have a lookie in the prices section



buy yourself this aswell
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...473729-7571015
its writen by dave walker

ill see how much throttle bodies will cost you now

GARETH T

http://www.jenvey.co.uk/

885.00 including; Manifold(s), Throttle bodies + links, Fuel rails and Air horns. VAT not included.

plus you would need a set of injectors aswell (could use cossie ones, and we all know how cheap they are second hand)

remember with all this you would have throttle bodies and a flash programmable ecu, for nearly the same price as a set of old carbs and an ecu you cant program

lancia delta 6 times WRC

My gaffer runs DTA management with T/B's on his XE he uses Darkgreens also. This is one serious motor pushing out approx 300bhp @ 9500rpm Its fitted in a escort G3 shell.

neilm

There is nothing wrong with Weber Alpha as a set up a couple of my customers have had very good results with it.

The 'issue' most people have with it is you can only get it set up by an Alpha Dealer.

Someone like Northampton Motorsport or Aldons.

Which, if you live near them its not a problem.

Its not a case of having chips burnt like you do with a Cossie, its all dynamic, however it can only be done with Webers software, which they dont release to the customer.

I think Weber feel that the system should be set up by people who are trained in it and know how to get the best out of the system.

Saves people meddling and then coming back claiming the weber ecu destroyed their engine.

If Weber isnt for you, you could check out Retro Ford in Corby, they are offering a kit of Emerald ECU, Jenvey 45mm Throttle Bodies and all the bits & bobs for £1382.00 all in.

Thats for a Zetec but I am sure they can cater for the XE Speak to Dave Colledge on 01536 747978 or e-mail him on dave@retro-ford.co.uk


If you want a super cost effective solution, use Motorbike Throttle Bodies and a Megasquirt ECU

andyescos

Cheers for all that lads, Gareth, you're a star, My mate has an XE on 48's built by JRE, 240 bhp, and, it has won the ACSMC tarmac championship, in a mk2, even beating WRC cars! not a single engine problem all year, but, his engine was £6000+
I wanna spend £3000, including the rwd conv and mounts!

GARETH T

sounds like a bargin

NUTS RuS

iTrader: (35)

Andy its not just the engine and management that wins championships its sometimes the driver too

IMHO forget carbs unless your tuner/mapper prefers them. In class D which yours will be in, your up against serious money. Im sure you know that already, thats why I have a high revving 1600 motor on T/B's, and Emerald. Its all I can afford

Good power is in the XE but your £3000 wont go far if you want to win.

andyescos

it's allright Tony, I still do it for the fun, maybe one day I'll stop doing do nuts in front of spectaters and concentrate on lines etc!

NUTS RuS

iTrader: (35)

lines - what are they I just aim to get on the video

The XE is pretty good for multi tasking, heres one my mate put in a Rover 200.



Started off on Subaru running gear but ended up on fabricated Gp A cossie stuff with 9inch rear diff, 6 speed sequential box etc. This still runs DTA and T/B's. Although that engine and box is now in Japan and he's building another. He's just done the baffled sump for it again. Nothing hard really and will give plenty fun

GARETH T

a mon-star

markk

iTrader: (2)

totaly agree with gareth , decent ecu and injection , carbs are shite , no driveabilty what so ever, a bitch to start, over fuel when they feel like it and spit back cause there in a mood ,

just inject it , in the long run and at £1400 all in foookin ell for nowt !!

SeanT

Carbs ain't all that bad, will give the same top end power as most bodies, not too hard to jet and set up, but if you need distributorless ignition you may as well go straight to the bodies and proper DIY mappable ECU as suggested.

NUTS RuS

iTrader: (35)

Top end power is not needed in a rallycar

SeanT

Sorry, meant performance at WOT, it's at part throttle that bodies are at a true advantage

GaryEvo

we can also supply omex management systems

they also do complete kits

we can price when we go back to work tomorrow

markk

iTrader: (2)

carbs are still shit, have always been shit, and will always be shit on cars

neilm

Well as we are on..

Throttle bodies are shite too.. they have a big flap in the middle that restricts and disrupts airflow.

What you really need are Roller Barrells

Like these :-

GARETH T

i dont like carbs aswell,, (only because i cant set them up )
they can drift of calibration and all sorts
they do compansate for barametric pressure,, but who cares

would be intresting to know how much the omex system is

AlexF

Andy,,,

go Ford Duratec...

throttle bodies and Mega Squirt management

cheap and 200 bhp

alex

markk

iTrader: (2)

sorry m8 but roller barrels have also been proven to about as good as carbs on part throttle ( well not quite that bad)

just have athink about it , you have a very large cylinder that rotates, when on full throttle , great , big opening, no restriction, but

have a think about half throttle , big fook off barrel type thing stuck in the middle of my fookin air flow creating a very very silly flow of air direction into my engine !! SORRY

but its still throttle bodies and butterflies !!

PAUL JC

This is my engine running Weber 45`s and Weber Alpha management.
The change from injection cost me £2000 and i should of put throttle bodies on . Because i hated carbs with a passion .

Northampton Motorsport done a grand jod though

stew205

You may not need 48's either stick with 45's.

PAUL JC

My complete set up is for sale

zoso11

weve been on about the mega squirt on the old skool section of the turbosport forum, and there alot of positive things said about it. But as for duratec, still a bit too pricey at the mo for rwd, all the r&d is done but it just needs people to start doin the job so the cost can come down like zetecs did. just i dont wanna be a guinea pig and doubt ne 1 else does eiether

Mark V8

iTrader: (2)

When I got my Escort mapped at Emerald Dave Walker was very enthusiastic about the Duratech and has dealings with QED. A bone stock Duratech 2 litre with just a set of bodies/management and exhaust manifold will make 200 bhp on the QED engine dyno.

Mark

GARETH T

RS2300 4x4, that is impressive i think

zoso11

yeah you can get 220 with just adding cams to that list

GARETH T

i have read many things about the flap..and all have said that it becomes invisable and WOT

rickslack

Carbs are definately not crap. It just depends who sets them up for you. Alot of people who have a good reputation are not actually that good at all. Usual story. I've got an XE on 45's with weber alpha ignition. Its the weber stuff thats absolute shite. Cant get it mapped localy so a long trip down to Aldons. Got piss wet through last time. Also the loom was all wired up wrong so spent days trying to find what i had cocked up only to find weber made a balls of it.
My advice buy either weber carbs or jenveys both very good but get a decent ECU
ie emerald ,dta, omex etc NOT alpha.