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Old 15-11-2009, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pardeep
You mean your Dad paid 30K and you gloat about it being yours. Fact of the matter is mate, its a BMW and thats it. Its nothing to be jealous of. Come to Southall with it and you'll find that every 20year old has one. And its a 335d, that hardly anything to be jealous of. My eldest brother has a E92 M3 and as far i know, thats the top of the range 3 Series.



When BMW sell you the car they tell you and then make you sign a piece of paper saying not to turn the TC off. Insurance companies are aware of this which when they plug in the Widget, your Insurance automatically becomes void and you will have to bend over for anyone claiming injuries because you thought you were Nick Heidfeld!!!



Yes they can!



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It doesn't have to be a mod. The fact that BMW make you sign a piece of paper stating you not to the TC off is all they need a copy of.

Your an idiot mate

MY father has bought lots of new bmw over the ytears... THEY DONT make yo sign FUCK ALL to say you cannot turn off T/C your ill informed and need to find out real facts..

Its a feature on the car you sillt twot.

He paid 45k for it new, i bought it 9 months later for 30k..

again mr dont state facts you dont know, ESPECIALLY about people you dont know.
Old 15-11-2009, 07:36 PM
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bmw making you sign anything is only to cover their arse so the ambulance chasers dont go knocking on their door.
unless theres a specific clause in the policy i cant see the insurance being void because it was turned off.
Old 15-11-2009, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
SORRY MATE i meanrt Insurance. No way can they... Not a hope in hell.
I'd check with your (Dad's) insurance before making such a bold claim - some insurers WILL refuse to pay out if you disable the safety control systems.
Old 15-11-2009, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
Your an idiot mate

MY father has bought lots of new bmw over the ytears... THEY DONT make yo sign FUCK ALL to say you cannot turn off T/C your ill informed and need to find out real facts..

Its a feature on the car you sillt twot.

He paid 45k for it new, i bought it 9 months later for 30k..

again mr dont state facts you dont know, ESPECIALLY about people you dont know.
So i take it he hasn't bought a recent M???

Ill Informed??? I was with my brother the day he picked his M3 up and the dealer made it clear what he was signing.

Regardless if you bought it off your dad. Its still a Diesel 335D and its nothing to be jealous of. So stop making it out as if your driving a fucking Ferrari!!!!
Old 15-11-2009, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord
I'd check with your (Dad's) insurance before making such a bold claim - some insurers WILL refuse to pay out if you disable the safety control systems.
Spot On. Thats what BMW make you sign regardless what model BMW you buy.
Old 15-11-2009, 07:42 PM
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You dont sign fuck all.. (YOU said all bmw's which is deffo wrong)

Ill check with my mates with M3's too see if they signed anything.

I know you had to sign to say you would not use the Cup sport tyres on the CSL in the wet. Not about disabling DSC.
Old 15-11-2009, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy
bmw making you sign anything is only to cover their arse so the ambulance chasers dont go knocking on their door.
unless theres a specific clause in the policy i cant see the insurance being void because it was turned off.
They have been making people sign since the E46 M3 (Inc CSL). They make it CLEAR with speech and a reading lesson that should you turn the Safety Systems off you'll be having to take it in the ass!!!
Old 15-11-2009, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
You dont sign fuck all.. (YOU said all bmw's which is deffo wrong)

Ill check with my mates with M3's too see if they signed anything.

I know you had to sign to say you would not use the Cup sport tyres on the CSL in the wet. Not about disabling DSC.
You do mate. Its why being at BMW when buying a car takes so fucking long to drive away with it.

My brother signed one for his current M3 and his last E46 M3.
Old 15-11-2009, 07:49 PM
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Maybe mate.. You did say for every bmw which is 100% wrong.

Most of my m3 friends drive with it off. I will ask them.

hand overs usually do take hours. Unless your in with a dealer.. Then it can take minutes (okay 20-30)
Old 15-11-2009, 07:54 PM
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If it was such an important feature to have on a car and have all the hooha about turning it off - then surely they'd just remove the ability to disable it?? I can't see ANY valid reason why it would be necessary to have it turned off.

But, just to show my position on this - if it's a feature supplied on the car (wether turned on or off) and the car is insured accordingly, UNLESS the insurance states otherwise, I can't see how they can't pay out!!
Old 15-11-2009, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kjc300
If it was such an important feature to have on a car and have all the hooha about turning it off - then surely they'd just remove the ability to disable it?? I can't see ANY valid reason why it would be necessary to have it turned off.

But, just to show my position on this - if it's a feature supplied on the car (wether turned on or off) and the car is insured accordingly, UNLESS the insurance states otherwise, I can't see how they can't pay out!!
Its a feature mate yes. So you can partially disable or fully disable..

There shit with them on.
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Old 15-11-2009, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
People dont plan to have an accident mate. 11K is covered by warranty anyway.

Prang any 60k car its going to mount up.
I was talking relatively, you don't expect an accident that minor to cost 1/5 of the cars new price. Nobody would have expected that and when you're standing in the showroom, its not high on your list of questions to ask.

If I was anticipating, and could afford to buy a car like that, I would be thinking about servicing costs, residual values, insurance costs etc, but not repair costs for minor accidents and if I had taken all those things into consideration, still decided to buy the car, but got swept off my feet by something like what happened to that poor fella, I'd be pissed and rightly so I think.
Old 15-11-2009, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
Your an idiot mate

MY father has bought lots of new bmw over the ytears... THEY DONT make yo sign FUCK ALL to say you cannot turn off T/C your ill informed and need to find out real facts..

Its a feature on the car you sillt twot.

He paid 45k for it new, i bought it 9 months later for 30k..

again mr dont state facts you dont know, ESPECIALLY about people you dont know.
Just for the record, not once did i refer to you as a twat or a idiot.

So let me just say this

IT'S A 335D!!! Its nothing special even if you did pay 30k for the thing. Its still a diesel and still just a BMW you cock!!!
Old 15-11-2009, 09:11 PM
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neither did he. he called you a twot.
Old 15-11-2009, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzzy
neither did he. he called you a twot.
ROFL.....
Old 15-11-2009, 09:18 PM
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why would bmw make you sign a bit of paper saying your insurance is void if you turn of the dsc ? It has fuck all to do with them and if it was the case it would be the insurance company that would make you sign something to say that you aint insured if you crash with the dsc off.

They do however refuse warrenty claims on some smg cars if you have used the lauch control 4 million tims and he gearbox blows up APPARENTLY, which is another load of shite imo if the function is there you should be able to se it.

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Old 15-11-2009, 11:41 PM
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At what % of the cars vaule does it become uneconomical to repair ? 11k on a 55k car is already 20%?

GTRs could be one hell of an expensive hobby.
Old 16-11-2009, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl
Its a 60k car... END OF. IF you can afford it, you can afford running costs/potential repairs.

My mate has one, its immense
what a stupid and WRONG reply....

read the thread on the GTR owners board of people who HAVE bought them and CAN obviously afford them.

Wally

This is a very very very big reason to not get one if you ask me!

just obscene...

I think I read somewhere that the car HAS to have these as the bonnet is too close to the engine to get through the lastest safety regs
Old 16-11-2009, 08:47 AM
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It would make sense to buy one of these things and strip it for spares if parts costs are that high.
north yorks gtr spares anyone ?
Old 16-11-2009, 08:51 AM
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I'm confused, what car is this about??
Old 16-11-2009, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Alps Pacino
why would bmw make you sign a bit of paper saying your insurance is void if you turn of the dsc ? It has fuck all to do with them and if it was the case it would be the insurance company that would make you sign something to say that you aint insured if you crash with the dsc off.

They do however refuse warrenty claims on some smg cars if you have used the lauch control 4 million tims and he gearbox blows up APPARENTLY, which is another load of shite imo if the function is there you should be able to se it.


Perfect reply to the shit thats been posted for the last two pages
Old 16-11-2009, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Alps Pacino
why would bmw make you sign a bit of paper saying your insurance is void if you turn of the dsc ? It has fuck all to do with them and if it was the case it would be the insurance company that would make you sign something to say that you aint insured if you crash with the dsc off.
I would presume its a disclaimer to say that if you choose to turn off the driver aids then BMW are in no way held responsible. Something like "these are there as a safety feature and if you choose to turn them off you're on your own"
If you choose to turn it off in any car can anyone justify to the insurance why it was exactly that you did so in the event of an accident. If you had a major accident and it was found that it could have been prevented if the car was being driven with all its safety features on you may well be high and dry. In the eyes of your insurer you must take all REASONABLE steps to prevent loss or damage. As i said earlier under normal driving conditions who can explain why they needed to switch off any driver aid??
Its the risk we all take.

As for being able to afford one, i can't see many people being happy about shouldering obscene repair costs. Imagine being on a trackday and hitting some debris and it activating the safety feature. Thats an expensive days playing regardless of your financial situation.
Old 16-11-2009, 12:52 PM
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Sometimes it's not just being able to afford it. I'd be gutted at handing 11k over for such a tiny job no matter what my financial picture was!

Agree with Porkie, it is a major thing to put you off ownership.
Old 16-11-2009, 01:12 PM
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Friend has an M6, i went with him to pick it up and not any any point did he have to sign any paperwork to say he would not turn off the dsc.
Old 16-11-2009, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Alps Pacino
why would bmw make you sign a bit of paper saying your insurance is void if you turn of the dsc ? It has fuck all to do with them and if it was the case it would be the insurance company that would make you sign something to say that you aint insured if you crash with the dsc off.
I think some people are confusing insurance with warranty/liability. BMW are just covering their own arses as it's a very litigious society.

There IS a separate issue with insurance, where companies HAVE refused to pay out as the safety devices were disabled, but the BMW signing paper thing is a seperate issue.
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Originally Posted by xr2i-carl

Accidents happen

Like you?
Old 16-11-2009, 04:30 PM
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I haven't got anything constructive to add, just wanted to ask if I should open the Hob-Nobs or Bourbons before the next 2 pages of arguing starts?
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Originally Posted by Neil@FastFord
I'm confused, what car is this about??
the short version:
the new nissan gtr35 skyline thingy
to save pedestarians it costs Ł11k to replace the bonnet when you hit one
apparently, this is par for the course for owning an expensive car and in the same leauge as having to replace the air in the tyres of yout veyron every 500 miles at a cost of Ł36k

the long version:
can be foudn here

xr2icarl's version:
i drive a bmw
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