Nissan GTR 'Love Tap' repair bill....
14-11-2009, 06:50 PM
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14-11-2009, 06:58 PM
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In a few years you'll have a machine to extract the shit from your arsehole so you don't need to strain.
14-11-2009, 07:42 PM
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14-11-2009, 07:51 PM
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14-11-2009, 07:59 PM
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further to that, if you buy a car and it costs that much to fix, after a few of them start to add up, the insurance companies are going to start loading them up AND in the case of a minor shunt with a possibly pedestrian and it doesn't do what it's supposed to do, you are going to have one big fuck off bill to pay and poential court costs as well as having your insurance invalidated and find it very hard to insure something for the next decade
and with the sporty bmw m cars having their brains interogated for what's been turned off after a shunt, it might be very intresting to see how the insruance industry deals with this sort of thing
where is tony greenlight when you need him?
and with the sporty bmw m cars having their brains interogated for what's been turned off after a shunt, it might be very intresting to see how the insruance industry deals with this sort of thing
where is tony greenlight when you need him?
14-11-2009, 08:21 PM
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"allegedly" because lawyers might be watching, if you have a bmw m car and decide that, because you are a great driver, you press one of them "traction aid" buttons that deisables the traction aids and then stack it when you run out of talent, "apparently" the computer rememebrs that you turned it off and then tells the insurance bod who comes round ot plug a widget into the wires of the ecu
alex f, he of bwm fiddling fame, should be able to shed more light on the matter as he's had one with the warning that he wasnot to turn the buttons off on pain of being skint if he binned the motor
alex f, he of bwm fiddling fame, should be able to shed more light on the matter as he's had one with the warning that he wasnot to turn the buttons off on pain of being skint if he binned the motor
14-11-2009, 08:24 PM
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bullshit. (Not directed at you personally)
They cant throw out a warranty due to turning T/C off. Its so restrictive its UNREAL. i Drive with it off permantly.
They cant throw out a warranty due to turning T/C off. Its so restrictive its UNREAL. i Drive with it off permantly.
14-11-2009, 08:56 PM
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14-11-2009, 09:05 PM
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14-11-2009, 09:52 PM
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the "IF" statement doesn't really do a lot when it comes to a court of law when someone decides to do it and things go a bit pete tong, although i'm sure if it's been designed to go onto the car then it has been designed to be compliant with some sort of safety related issues in mind and that's something you really don't wan to have compromised to save yourself a few grand
14-11-2009, 10:40 PM
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no, it's an IF yo ucould afford to buy one now would you disable the system?
you can't so it's all subjective/conjecture/othe big fancy words
the fact of the matter is that no one will want to be the first to disable the system and then get hit by a pedestrarian who may or may not sue if the insurance company rules that the system shoudl have prevented as much damage as occoured to the errant walker
you can't so it's all subjective/conjecture/othe big fancy words
the fact of the matter is that no one will want to be the first to disable the system and then get hit by a pedestrarian who may or may not sue if the insurance company rules that the system shoudl have prevented as much damage as occoured to the errant walker
15-11-2009, 08:38 AM
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that's why i'd ask alex to clarify it further, but if they do stick a bit of cable into the car and it tells them that you were doing 40 mph over the posted limit when you were going backwards into a queue of pensioners outside bingo....
"if" my aunt had bollocks she' dbe my uncle
the "IF" statement doesn't really do a lot when it comes to a court of law when someone decides to do it and things go a bit pete tong, although i'm sure if it's been designed to go onto the car then it has been designed to be compliant with some sort of safety related issues in mind and that's something you really don't wan to have compromised to save yourself a few grand
"if" my aunt had bollocks she' dbe my uncle
the "IF" statement doesn't really do a lot when it comes to a court of law when someone decides to do it and things go a bit pete tong, although i'm sure if it's been designed to go onto the car then it has been designed to be compliant with some sort of safety related issues in mind and that's something you really don't wan to have compromised to save yourself a few grand
out clauses as far as I'm aware for speeding.
15-11-2009, 10:42 AM
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The comment about ECU's being interrogated read this:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...rover-crash.do
and this:
http://news.swiftcover.com/drivers-a...esponsibility/
Yes it was a black box and not the ecu but the principle is there.
Insurance companies have the means to see if cars have been obd tuned and reflashed back to standard in the event of a crash it will only develop beyond that. If you switch off a driver aid such as traction control and have a crash that would have been prevented or less severe you may be considered negligent especially where personal injury occurs. YOU would have to justify to them why you turned it off and that your standard of driving warranted it. After all in what case on the road under normal driving conditions would you need to??? We all do it as it gets in the way when we're have a nice b-road thrash etc...
They won't have to prove anything to you, they will just present the facts and you will have to justify yourself to them. As the link above states the insurance industry is looking to leave the responsibility with the driver!
All ifs,buts and maybe's but thats insurance. Is it worth the risk of giving them a way out of paying up? After thats why we pay.
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15-11-2009, 10:50 AM
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It's a Ł60k car, not Ł560k. You don't expect to pay almost a fifth of the cars new price to have a little 'tap' like that fixed. OK, if it was a Veyron and the repair bill was Ł11,000 then I can understand it, but that it just fucking insane.
....and having to take it to Middlehurst when you need new tyres, AFPMSL. Ł600 a pop.
15-11-2009, 11:14 AM
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theres some very interesting points made, although obviously complete fiction, it somewhat relates, where his boat is struck by lightening, and the insurance company refuses to pay out, saying its an act of god, he claims he had fully comprehensive insurance so he takes the church to court, as gods representatives.
really good film, shit ending though compared to the rest. Fair enough is should have been "declared" but what if someone bought a 3 year old car that someone had put back to standard to help retail value? where would they stand being an innocernt party?
15-11-2009, 11:43 AM
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Seems odd really, I think he's been poked in the ass tbh.
The bonnet deploy system in the Jag XK can be put back in to place so that if you deploy it you can still drive the car until you have the explosive charge replaced. I would have thought Nissan would have made a similar system. Jag spent lots of time and money on a special sensor so that the bonnet deploy system wouldn't trigger in a small shunt, seems wrong that it went off for such a bump at a repair cost of Ł3000 for the rams. I can't see it needing a replacement saftey ECU either, thats pretty rediculous. Ł140 on a bit of pollystyrene??? No....
It seems that if it is true then Nissan must be trying to recoup the cost of the vehicles, as they are pretty cheap for the performance they are. Parts are obviously being sold at 10-20times mark up at the stealers.
Did you know a Ford 2.4l Puma engine and Landrover defender gearbox only costs LR Ł300, including turbo....?
JAmes.
The bonnet deploy system in the Jag XK can be put back in to place so that if you deploy it you can still drive the car until you have the explosive charge replaced. I would have thought Nissan would have made a similar system. Jag spent lots of time and money on a special sensor so that the bonnet deploy system wouldn't trigger in a small shunt, seems wrong that it went off for such a bump at a repair cost of Ł3000 for the rams. I can't see it needing a replacement saftey ECU either, thats pretty rediculous. Ł140 on a bit of pollystyrene??? No....
It seems that if it is true then Nissan must be trying to recoup the cost of the vehicles, as they are pretty cheap for the performance they are. Parts are obviously being sold at 10-20times mark up at the stealers.
Did you know a Ford 2.4l Puma engine and Landrover defender gearbox only costs LR Ł300, including turbo....?
JAmes.
15-11-2009, 12:03 PM
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I must admit, landrover are rather bad for ripping off concidering their defenders etc. are not a 'luxury' vehicle, they're designed to get used and abused. I blame it on them running away from their roots and designing footballers cars instead of decent work horses 
60% of all the land rovers ever made are still roadworthy today, I highly doubt that'll be the case in 20 years time, with the ponsy rubbish they're churning out now
60% of all the land rovers ever made are still roadworthy today, I highly doubt that'll be the case in 20 years time, with the ponsy rubbish they're churning out now
15-11-2009, 04:30 PM
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I have to say, thats an idiotic reply.
It's a Ł60k car, not Ł560k. You don't expect to pay almost a fifth of the cars new price to have a little 'tap' like that fixed. OK, if it was a Veyron and the repair bill was Ł11,000 then I can understand it, but that it just fucking insane.
....and having to take it to Middlehurst when you need new tyres, AFPMSL. Ł600 a pop.
It's a Ł60k car, not Ł560k. You don't expect to pay almost a fifth of the cars new price to have a little 'tap' like that fixed. OK, if it was a Veyron and the repair bill was Ł11,000 then I can understand it, but that it just fucking insane.
....and having to take it to Middlehurst when you need new tyres, AFPMSL. Ł600 a pop.
Prang any 60k car its going to mount up.
15-11-2009, 05:54 PM
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From previous threads on the GTR and its unfathomable electronics it seems Nissan designed it this way on purpose. They could've put a more simple ECU in, they could've made their bonnet pop system for repeated use but they designed it the way they did on purpose simply to make money. And they know people have no choice in the matter so will pay out.
15-11-2009, 07:08 PM
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GTRs are quick but the fucking problems these cars have in general without any kind of accident is atrocious enough. 11k??? I rather put 60k towards a Ferrari F430. Cos by the time its had little prangs that you needed to get sorted out, you could have bought a proper motor and not have to explain to someone that its a special type of Nissan!!!
15-11-2009, 07:25 PM
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It doesn't have to be a mod. The fact that BMW make you sign a piece of paper stating you not to the TC off is all they need a copy of.
15-11-2009, 07:27 PM
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