Well done Jenson Button!!!!
19-10-2009, 01:02 PM
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19-10-2009, 01:05 PM
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Its the other teams fault, as they were warned at the overtaking group meetings by Ross Brawn, who suggested the rules be changed to close the loophole, the FIA merely confirmed what was asked of them. No rule was changed during the season
As for him enjoying a clear advantage..did rubens finish second in all of these races where the Brawn was so vastly superior? Does anyone else who won a championship in a superior car ( all of them bar one or two ) have it 'devalued'?
He didnt have a superior car all season unlike most seasons so IMO it represents an even tougher victory for him.
As for him enjoying a clear advantage..did rubens finish second in all of these races where the Brawn was so vastly superior? Does anyone else who won a championship in a superior car ( all of them bar one or two ) have it 'devalued'?
He didnt have a superior car all season unlike most seasons so IMO it represents an even tougher victory for him.
Where is it being devalued?
Im just talking about what the circumstances were, Brawn started the season with the best car, so that got Jenson off to a good start.
If he wasnt an awesome driver, Brawn wouldnt have had him in the team, being a good driver tends to lead to getting a good car, Schumacher didnt win just because he had the best car either.
You are mistinterpreting what I have said.
I think Jenson did a great job of capatilising on the situation he found himself in, which is the mark of a champion, just like Lewis did last year.
19-10-2009, 01:16 PM
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Here
and here
Im not attempting to "take anything away" from his victory, but whatever way you look at it, he had a massive advantage in the first few races before all the other teams got a chance to also add extra aero aids
Where you comment on a rule change being beneficial to Brawn, intimating it gave them an advantage, no rule was changed, the car was always legal, as were the two other teams who ran a double deck diffuser and Brawn tried to have the rules changed pre season to ban the DDD!
I agree with everything else
Originally Posted by Chip
with the diffuser thing and the FIA changing the rules to make it legal etc, .
and here
Originally Posted by chip
Im not attempting to "take anything away" from his victory, but whatever way you look at it, he had a massive advantage in the first few races before all the other teams got a chance to also add extra aero aids
Where you comment on a rule change being beneficial to Brawn, intimating it gave them an advantage, no rule was changed, the car was always legal, as were the two other teams who ran a double deck diffuser and Brawn tried to have the rules changed pre season to ban the DDD!
I agree with everything else
19-10-2009, 01:21 PM
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Thats not devalueing the win
and neither is that
Cant be arsed to argue over the semantics of wether you think the FIA stating that the DDD was allowed or not constitutes a rule change, the other teams all reacted to it as if it was, the bottom line though is that they (jenson and rubens etc) DID have an advantage, and one that Jenson made the most of, if you miss a chance like that (as rubens did) you dont end up champion, so it was important he came out and did as well as he could while he had an advantage in terms of the car, just like it was impotant he finished 5th to get the 3 points he needed to seal the championship in what I would say was now NOT the best car on the grid.
and neither is that
Where you comment on a rule change being beneficial to Brawn, intimating it gave them an advantage, no rule was changed, the car was always legal, as were the two other teams who ran a double deck diffuser and Brawn tried to have the rules changed pre season to ban the DDD!
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19-10-2009, 03:40 PM
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he won more races this year than Hamilton won last year..
so that makes 2 'LUCKY' world champions in a row. ??
Button is deserving of the title IMO. as was Hamilton, who deserved it the first time round too really!
19-10-2009, 03:54 PM
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Button went out and won 6 of the first 7 races, whilst driving a car that had significant aerodynamic advantages, since those first 7 races (ie once the other teams started to compete equally) he has only had one podium finish and no firsts, he has mainly been lingering around 5th/7th etc
Its very clear that the brawn/button package was only competitive until the other teams introduced upgraded aero packages.
Thats not intended as a diss, he won nearly half the races all season, good car or not thats still one hell of an acheivement!
But with Lewis he was fighting the whole season and his wins were in the beginning, middle and end of the season, he was very consistant all year in that respect.
19-10-2009, 04:16 PM
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the lewis title and the jenson title are totally different IMO
Jenson has had a much harder ride, Lewis would have cracked under the pressure that jenson was under in the last 5 races.
Just like he did the year before when he threw the title away.
Jenson is superior im afraid!
all in my opinion of course (which i am entitled too)
Jenson has had a much harder ride, Lewis would have cracked under the pressure that jenson was under in the last 5 races.
Just like he did the year before when he threw the title away.
Jenson is superior im afraid!
all in my opinion of course (which i am entitled too)
19-10-2009, 04:19 PM
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the lewis title and the jenson title are totally different IMO
Jenson has had a much harder ride, Lewis would have cracked under the pressure that jenson was under in the last 5 races.
Just like he did the year before when he threw the title away.
Jenson is superior im afraid!
all in my opinion of course (which i am entitled too)
Jenson has had a much harder ride, Lewis would have cracked under the pressure that jenson was under in the last 5 races.
Just like he did the year before when he threw the title away.
Jenson is superior im afraid!
all in my opinion of course (which i am entitled too)
I dont see how you can say that jenson getting 6 out of the first 7 wins, in arguably a superior car to most people had, then when the cars were evened up and it got closer towards then end he just needed to scrape a few points together from one 5th place out of the last 2 races was a "much harder ride" than Lewis having to fight it out to the end?
Im not saying that was easy, but it makes no sense to me at all that it was harder than what Lewis did?
Jenson got the best start to the season in living memory surely?
Has anyone ever won 6 out of the first 7 races before? I certainly cant remember it happening!
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19-10-2009, 04:43 PM
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give lewis hamilton 9 seasons of F1, and it shall be proven then how superior he is to button, simple really
as said, until they sit in identical cars, it will never be an exact science, but the clever money would always be on lewis
congrats to jenson and all, but i think the 2nd half of this season has spoken volumes, on a more level playing field, button is left looking a tad mediocre, next season i think normal service will be resumed and the likes of massa, hamilton, alonso etc will be leading the way
as said, until they sit in identical cars, it will never be an exact science, but the clever money would always be on lewis
congrats to jenson and all, but i think the 2nd half of this season has spoken volumes, on a more level playing field, button is left looking a tad mediocre, next season i think normal service will be resumed and the likes of massa, hamilton, alonso etc will be leading the way
19-10-2009, 05:04 PM
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he beat a two time world champ in the same car in his first ever season in f1 and did that all by himself then went onto win the title the year after!!
im sure he will win manny more titles in the years to come .
and hamilton started 17th 3 places behind button and finished 3rd 3 places a head of him on sunday so i think that speaks for its self really.
19-10-2009, 05:06 PM
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8 seasons in a completely uncompetetive car and 1 in a competetive car equals 1 championship Win.
Lewis
3 Seasons in a competetive car 2 in by far the best on the grid equals 1 Championship Win.
You havnt gotta be albert einstein to work out whos done better!
19-10-2009, 05:18 PM
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19-10-2009, 05:31 PM
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i think the simple key here is that rather than people being massive fans of button, they are just massive haters of hamilton 
button winning the championship just serves a purpose of yet again slagging off this so called cocky, arrogant, useless, lucky (insert many other unsubstantiated insults here) young talent that is lewis hamilton
ask yourselves this, if button is so much better than hamilton, why did hamilton walk into this 'best car' as a rookie, and yet button hasnt ever demonstrated enough skill to get himself a best car, infact this season he only got it by pure fluke that brawn sprouted out of a dying honda team who had no other drivers left to choose from than the 1s already on their books
button winning the championship just serves a purpose of yet again slagging off this so called cocky, arrogant, useless, lucky (insert many other unsubstantiated insults here) young talent that is lewis hamilton
ask yourselves this, if button is so much better than hamilton, why did hamilton walk into this 'best car' as a rookie, and yet button hasnt ever demonstrated enough skill to get himself a best car, infact this season he only got it by pure fluke that brawn sprouted out of a dying honda team who had no other drivers left to choose from than the 1s already on their books
19-10-2009, 06:15 PM
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There are some blinkered spazzo's on this thread........Jenson Won WDCC at his first time of asking in a championship winning car, Lewis has also produced the goods in the righ car. Both excellent drivers in their own right and i'm very certain there wouldnt be much between them in similar cars
As for someone STILL bleating on about Brawns diffuser 'advantage' how come the other two teams, Toyota and Williams running it didnt have a massive advantage too and how come Red Bull were no more competitive once they adopted it mid season? Mclaren also became competitive mid season, but due to figuring out weight distribution problems.
As for someone STILL bleating on about Brawns diffuser 'advantage' how come the other two teams, Toyota and Williams running it didnt have a massive advantage too and how come Red Bull were no more competitive once they adopted it mid season? Mclaren also became competitive mid season, but due to figuring out weight distribution problems.
19-10-2009, 06:17 PM
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No i am a massive fan of Button and was when he was at Honda.
The fact that hamilton won annoyed me only due to everybody slating button saying he couldnt do it and then some rookie comes along and does it.
EVEN though he had by fair the best car for two years and could only win it once!
so my admiration for button was strengthened due to hamilton, I dont hate hamilton i just think buttons A better driver a better personality and a better man.
He also doesnt need his daddy there every minute!
The fact that hamilton won annoyed me only due to everybody slating button saying he couldnt do it and then some rookie comes along and does it.
EVEN though he had by fair the best car for two years and could only win it once!
so my admiration for button was strengthened due to hamilton, I dont hate hamilton i just think buttons A better driver a better personality and a better man.
He also doesnt need his daddy there every minute!
19-10-2009, 06:23 PM
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oh sorry, my mistake, i guess he was CGI'd into every camera shot of the button team garage then?
and as for your 'i dont hate hamilton but then throw in childish remarks about him' argument, im sure he doesnt NEED his dad there every minute, he just WANTS him there, and his dad WANTS to be there to watch and be proud
god help your kids if they ever WANT their dad to come and support them and get a reception like that lol
and as for your 'i dont hate hamilton but then throw in childish remarks about him' argument, im sure he doesnt NEED his dad there every minute, he just WANTS him there, and his dad WANTS to be there to watch and be proud
god help your kids if they ever WANT their dad to come and support them and get a reception like that lol
19-10-2009, 06:26 PM
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and i dont think hamilton had a far better car than the rest last year!! he won 5 races and massa won 6 !!! button won 6 this year and i dont think any other driver won half as manny.
19-10-2009, 06:27 PM
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The last race mate...
Sorry do you follow formula 1 or are you just concentrating on the last race.
Its not a childish remark as everyone i speak to says the same thing.
He just has zero personality, Even if you watch Top gear when lewis was on and button was on IMO button is a far more likable Guy.
I mean his dad was even there then FFS!
Sorry do you follow formula 1 or are you just concentrating on the last race.
Its not a childish remark as everyone i speak to says the same thing.
He just has zero personality, Even if you watch Top gear when lewis was on and button was on IMO button is a far more likable Guy.
I mean his dad was even there then FFS!
19-10-2009, 06:30 PM
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wrong!!! Jenson dad has been with him every step of the way..
you have some very strange views on lewis, you need to have a look at his F2 days and even back to the karting to see how good he really is I remeber him passing all the field in an f2 race!! thats talant..
i'm no hater of button in fact I'm a fan but put them in the same car and theres only one winner.. lewis
watch this one of him aged 11. My son has an identical Kart so I have a fair idea how hard it is to get the best out of these!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ysjoxN2xM
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you have some very strange views on lewis, you need to have a look at his F2 days and even back to the karting to see how good he really is I remeber him passing all the field in an f2 race!! thats talant..
i'm no hater of button in fact I'm a fan but put them in the same car and theres only one winner.. lewis
watch this one of him aged 11. My son has an identical Kart so I have a fair idea how hard it is to get the best out of these!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ysjoxN2xM
steve
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19-10-2009, 06:34 PM
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No one said he was Crap driver. He wouldnt be in formula 1 if he was.
I just dont like him, And a lot of others dont too.
However i do like button and that why i follow him. Just like i Followed Mansell Instead of senna.
Hill Instead Of Schumacher etc etc.
There is more to being a sports personality and formula 1 driver than being the quickest in a go Kart.
We will see what happens next year anyway.
My moneys back on Button!
I just dont like him, And a lot of others dont too.
However i do like button and that why i follow him. Just like i Followed Mansell Instead of senna.
Hill Instead Of Schumacher etc etc.
There is more to being a sports personality and formula 1 driver than being the quickest in a go Kart.
We will see what happens next year anyway.
My moneys back on Button!
19-10-2009, 06:38 PM
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No one said he was Crap driver. He wouldnt be in formula 1 if he was.
I just dont like him, And a lot of others dont too.
However i do like button and that why i follow him. Just like i Followed Mansell Instead of senna.
Hill Instead Of Schumacher etc etc.
There is more to being a sports personality and formula 1 driver than being the quickest in a go Kart.
We will see what happens next year anyway.
My moneys back on Button!
I just dont like him, And a lot of others dont too.
However i do like button and that why i follow him. Just like i Followed Mansell Instead of senna.
Hill Instead Of Schumacher etc etc.
There is more to being a sports personality and formula 1 driver than being the quickest in a go Kart.
We will see what happens next year anyway.
My moneys back on Button!