cozzfather

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thats close but the one i'm thinking of is from further away and in colour and you can just see the build plaque too.

cozzfather

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actually it may of been this one too but in colour

Glenn_

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I dont know if ive missed something here but how do people know that for example no 3 out of the RS500s is number 3.Does it say on the chassis plate.

Fiddy

They had the number stamped on the inlet manifold iirc

CRAIG HAYTER

this is a good thread

Glenn_

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Well i never knew that even though i think ive just read that on this thread lol.

dave cos4x4

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the chassis numbers started at say....24500 then went onto 25000, all the 500 cars had the chassis numbers in that sequence if you know what i mean.

Fiddy

You buy fast ford every month glenn, it was in there not long in the article about number 1 thats gone to scandinavia

james kiely

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im just wondering ,if for example the inlet manifold was faulty or got damaged and had to be replaced by ford how would the number of the car be identified ,was it restamped by ford.
has anyone got a picture of the number on the manifold,ie location of it

cheers james

james kiely

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so dave if car number one was 24501 was 1 stamped on the manifold


cheers james

CRAIG HAYTER

James thats a good qeustion as that would fk things up if the was any damage done to an inlet manifold on a rs500

dave cos4x4

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think it would be James, the number would be 001.

i remember seeing a nimber on a manifold once but cannot recall where it was stamped.

thats an easy question for the '500 lads' to answer.

dave cos4x4

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the number on the manifold would be the last 3 digits of the chassis number.

Fiddy

Then it would have to be identified by the chassis number, thats the sure fire way of doing as the inlet manifold could be off a 500 that had been broke for spares for example and put on another one.

cozzfather

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i remember tha mag article when the car surfaced at a prestige car auction after being kept by a enthusiast who had bought it after ford released it.

i used to work for a car dealer who bought and sold cars direct out of ford motor co,all the cars were auctioned off and he would get a catalog delivered with all the cars and details in.

i remember seeing rs500's being sold later than they should have been released and other cosworths too,they would say if the car had been reshelled or stolen etc.
quite a few had been but what got me was the different specs of some of the cars.

i got talking to a bloke who was the top man at budget rent a car for ford uk and he told me he was offered the very last sierra cosworth made for ford uk,it was a motor show car too as he had seen it there and was new and un registered,told me it was 9 grand to him cash bangers.

james kiely

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how were replacement engines numbered ,as the touring car boys must have went through hundreds of them out of the crate.
sorry for all the questions ,its just of interest to me


cheers james

james kiely

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i remember tha mag article when the car surfaced at a prestige car auction after being kept by a enthusiast who had bought it after ford released it. quote


which car are you talking about cozzfather?


cheers james

nugnah

I know of the very last Sapphire cosworth off the production line, K reg Mallard Green , it sits in Fordthorne Dealership workshops in Cardiff, the owner of the garage owns it. My mate used to work PDI there and I have seen the car in the flesh.

luckymitchell

could someone explain the 'downies' chassis thing paul s mentioned,i have a 3dr stamped down and another stamped up...1 person told me the down stamp was a re-shell by fords,he seemed to be full of crap,this car is 1 owner from new so i know its not been messed with since being bought from fords.. log book says first reg 08/08/87 is a d plate
cheers

dave cos4x4

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not 100% on this so correct me if wrong...

500 production cars had to be sold to public so Ford can build similar cars for racing,same spec etc...the cars sold were not the limited run cars, Ford had cars build the same spec but with better shells,cages in them etc...for the race cars.:

so nothing to do with the 500 made cars......i think lol.

buzznwood

Tickford converted 496 cars (already 4 white prototypes), while I'm sure there are plenty of old wives tales to cars going missing extra's being built etc the reason for having to store up the cars was all due to the mk2 sierra coming along so the only options for ford where to either let Karmann make the rs500's along with xr4ti's at huge cost or to make make the required 500 during the standard 3door run and put them side for later conversion.

From what I remember there was a fair bit of moaning and complaining from other manufactures about the legality of doing it such way to gain homologation at the time. It may sound risky but storing up 500 cars is nothing when you think about the number of cars that come of a productions line.

dave cos4x4

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here we go, thats it lock the thread.

seems to cause a lot of arguing the posts about the 'up or down numbers'.

mines down anyway.

james kiely

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sorry dave what i meant was,were the inlet manifolds numbered on replacement engines ,i wasnt clear in my question


cheers james

KW-rscos

Think you will find it lives in the BonkeRS collection near neath, its also not the last, its the last RHD, the last is a LHD metallic blue one.

CRAIG HAYTER

that will be RS BONKERS collection my mate has an escos that used to sit next to it

Big G

Oh how youve opened a can of worms
Many a thread has turned to turd with the Uppy and Downy,
I used to use more just to start a forum fight

luckymitchell

haha...sorry didnt realise it was such a touchy subject..i was just curious...as you can see it says i'm 'virgin' so i havent witnessed any forum punch ups..yet!!

james kiely

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lock all your windows and doors mate ,there will be a possee on their way to your house as we type to give you a good pasting


cheers james

DAB

Firstly that's my car Rs500 003 ..
now to answer your Question , Back in 1987 the power's that be were worried about fake 500's being offered for sale "dressed up 3dr's with 500 bits" , so Ford Asked Tickford to release to certain parties there Build list "the list of cars in order that went through their process" , the chassi range of genuine rs500's are Gg38600 to Gg39099 , funny enough though the cars went through the line in no particular order , I:E no 001 is not 38600 , nor is No 500 39099 ..hope that helps a little!

botters

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ive been told that when they were ordered from new you could choose your build number so long as that number had not all ready been taken that may explain the chassis numbers not being in line with the build number
then again i could just be wrong lol!

SS1

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http://bbs.rsownersclub.co.uk/showthread.php?t=201436

RUPERT THE BIG HAIRY BEAR

this thread made me laugh lol

DAB

sorry mate , you need to explore the then again part of your quote as that was correct , build numbers were not a issue in 1987 trust me,but then again what do i know .

cosmo V6

It does not sit at Fordthorn

Mr RS500

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WTF are you going on about

I hope you are trying to be funny and not being serious ?

Mr RS500

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Reading through this thread has realy brought up some funny things that i have never heard before

People could choose a build number , that has to be the best one to date ,lol,

Mr RS500

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This is quite difficult to explain but the rs500 left FORD as a complete std 3 door cosworth

they were then shipped over to tickford were the were stood and parked ready for conversion

The selected production 3 doors started ( as stated above ) with the chassie number 38600 , and ended with 39099 ,

these cars were STD production cars and carried STD chassie numbers .

These cars were then driven into the tickford workshops ( in no particular order ) ie, nearest first and converted , this is why build numbers dont tally how you would think , ie , you would think that the 4 protos had the first 4 chassie numbers , 1 being 38600 and 4 being 38603 , NO NO NO , that would be to easy , lol,

The first chassie number allocated is in fact build number 8
and the last chassie number 39099 is build number 181

I can only assume ( as i wasnt there ) this is simply down to production variants etc and how quick each car took to complete ,

As for build plaques , this again wasnt fitted at ford or tickford , they were nade by an RSOC official for RSOC rs500 owners

I have had writted concent from Tickford that i can have these remade for 500 owners and can carry the tickford logo but i must hve the designe signed of by them .( i hope to have this done very soon )

I hope this helps understand , and if im wrong in and part of the above there a couple of people on this post with good knowlage and can correct anything that maybee wrong

Paul

Eagle

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now im interested in this thread and really dont want it to turn silly .. but is there any ideas about the chassis number thing ? having trawled through the posts on the rsoc as soon as it got heated it would be dumped out of view or locked ...
im genuinly interested thats all .. so keep it nice lol .. just seems a bit weired to me if they were all made in the same factory did different people stamp up or down dependent on who was working on that shift ? but then knowing ford nothing is plain and simple

Mr RS500

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All 3 doors and RS500"s WERE stamped up and down

end of story , and we have proof of this

Paul

PAUL S

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I think the key thing about the chassis number is that if it starts and ends with the special star shape ( regardless of whether its up or down ) then its been done by Ford and not later in life, as the star stamp would be hard to replicate where as the rest of the numbers can be done with a standard stamp set