luckymitchell

could it not be as simple as fords discovering a way to combat the ringing of cars.. By stamping numbers up,this would this require a form of press..where as stamping down can be done with a set of stamps from a screwfix catologue and a good heavy hammer in any back street garage(the arches)....cars are not sold as they come off the production line,so they are obviously stored untill the dealers require them for registration,so maybe some 3drs were built and stored(wherever that is) and then ford changed the system to 'up' and continued to build them..ie some are up some are down..so a 'down' 3dr came off the production line earlier than an 'up' one..the 'D' or 'E' reg is only given as it is registered/sold to go on the road...mk 3 escorts were down and mk4's up(the ones i've seen) and they changed at C/D reg...just a thought on a sunday,dont want to agrivate anyone before church!!

james kiely

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paul,what would your opinion on the above question ,and how relevant is this number in relation to the chasis number be ,if you were looking to buy one


cheers james

PAUL S

iTrader: (8)

I assume you mean Paul the registrar, but till he comes along I can answer some of it for you.

The YBD engine build number is hand machine etched into the top rear part of the plenum outer and this matches the YBD engine number stamped just above the water pump on the front of the block, the plenum one could be removed, altered etc easily enough with a hand file so not definative

The YBD number is a cosworth number so relates in no way to the actual cars chassis number, which is usually stamped on the side of the block just below the exhaust manifold

Paul will have the Tickford build sheets which show which YBD engine was allocated to which chassis number

Ford also built a number of replacement 500 engines which range from YBD 518 or so upto YBD 650 ish

If the car has had a replacement engine fitted, and a number did under warranty then it will have one of these higher numbers rather than a sub 518 one

If though the engine only had a new block fitted then the blocks were unstamped.

cozzfather

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you mentioned old wives tales and how much you like them......

so i gave you another one to have a read of

to be differant i would put one on upside down though

cozzfather

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the one the norwegian had recently in ff .

like i say them cars went through ford closed sales to car dealers back in the day,all the cars were registered ford motor company eagle way brentford, my boss had loads of cozzies and top end ghias,xr4x4's,cabs etc etc all with chelmsford registrations.

Mr RS500

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Thanks Paul

Saves me doing a load of typing

Mr RS500

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Thank fook for that . i thought you were being serious

Big G

Is there any reason why they were up and down?
Is it possible to know through the numbers which was an uppy or downy from factory?

kosman

can i be thick and ask what you mean by numbers being stamped up or down? down as in sunk into the floor? and up as raised off the floor?

Paul_RS

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Yup, its just that!

kosman

nice one

Mr RS500

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There is a perfectly good explanation why there are up and down , and the up and the down cars are in blocks of high numbers that are consistant

I have been through this soooooo many times over the years and to be honest am quite board of it so cant be arsed to go through it all again on here

do a search and you will find many posts on the subject

Captain500rs

Can always rely on a 500 thread for some interesting reading. Same old thing all the time

Big G

Thayts the thing, most of these 'discussions' turn to shit through 1 reason or another and by the time some of us come to see the reply the topics been locked and fucked off,
IMO its a fascinating topic to talk about, theories, queries and tales of somebody knowing somebody make the marque somewhat elusive and fascinating to follow.

Unfortunatly some of us aint as clued up on the marque as you Paul so we have to ask questions to find out, Sorry if its such a problem for you

Dan_RS500

Are they not just like belly buttons, some are innies and some are outies, just the way they were made.

james kiely

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were the production cars bought by the touring car teams directly from ford and as ive never owned one does it say rs 500 on the reg documents

cheers james

dave cos4x4

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yes James, racing teams gave them to drivers etc.....

it does not say on the v5 either,chassis number will tell you.

Mr RS500

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I wont go into it again as it ALWAYS turns to shit as there are so many smart arses who try and tell them that know we are wrong mate that it isnt worth the effort

If anyone is seriously interested all the need to do is do a search and they will find out all the info that has been argued time and time again

And to be honest those who are looking to buy a 500 and have any worries usually call somone they trust who will tell them the truth

james kiely

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cheers dave .

paul i know these threads usually turn to shit ,but i honestly feel some good info has been bashed out over the last few days ,and as you know when 500,s come up for sale which isnt very often[well none i can afford at the minute anyway lol]it is better that you have the basic knowledge to back you up as you race down the road to be first in line.

i am going to try contact the guy i spoke to during the week to see if i can find out any more info on no.zero lol

cheers james
ps that one on pistonheads looked great value with 22k miles didnt it?

Big G

Ok then,
Would you like to tell me why there are uppy's and downy's or do I have to spend half a day looking through your posts?
I am interested as to why it happened, there must be a reason as I cant see the builders thinking 'fuck it lets change the stamping to cause big arguments in the future', was it a tooling issue? Did the stamper go on the piss, fall over and find it easier to stamp upside down? Did the cars change production line midway through the run?

Howcome Tickford got the job of the 500's, was it put out to tender and they won?

DAB

Well said Paul

dave cos4x4

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Tickford did a few different cars in the Ford range,not sure why they got the work all the time.

Sonic Boom

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Does anyone know what the last chassis number of all the 3 doors was?

I take it that the higher the number the later on it was built but then it could then have been registered at anytime so even a late built car cold be relatively early registered?

Cheers Rich

cozzfather

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TICKFORD DID ALL SORTS OF SHIT even metros and taxis,they even did lpg vans for ford and i had one tickforded .

DAB

also Sherpa vans IIRC ..

to answer the question posted above
ford did want the project to remain in house , and offered it to SVe , but for some reason they did not do it ?? , so it went to Tickford .

Stevie RS Boy

i cant believe hat the chassis number debate keeps coming up, also the wives tales are interesting, recently on the RSOC Forum there was a guy in scotland who reckoned his grandad left his dad one with only 200 mile son it, but nothing more has been said
http://bbs.rsownersclub.co.uk/showthread.php?t=229502

Big G

Because at times only half a story is told or found,
So we now now that Uppy's and Downy's are real, besides what the odd mong will say,
But as I am an inqusitive bastard I am asking why, must be a reason behind it no matter how fickle it could be.

Mr RS500

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Remember our day at Tickford Daz , some funny stories about them sherpa police vans the built

The job of converting the 3 doors to RS500"s was put out to tenda and tickford won due to there experiance in conversions and build of vehicles , and the fact that they were very well respected in there field and had done ( as said ) conversions before for Ford

CossieRich

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Decent thread. Cant beat a bit of a history lesson from those in the know - Paul and Dab

DAB

Sure Do Paul , ranks up as one of the best Days ive had in Rs500 ownership ,and ive had a few good Days .

nugnah

Well the paperwork that states it is the last one off the line is framed on the MD's wall

lee2cossies

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Great bit of info that and it explains why my inlet manifold is engraved number 565.

james kiely

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so i take it there were only 650 engines built by ford for the rs 500.


cheers james