This is pathetic.
30-08-2009, 06:52 PM
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its all about the 5 pot
My Audi bleeps its tits off when ive got a bulb gone, and repeats itself every 10 minuits, luckily it doesnt need an ECU reset. What a stupid new idea !!
31-08-2009, 10:34 AM
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When i had my octavia vrs i had a faulty break light switch and i have had numerus bulbs out but never had any problems with warnibg lights coming on.True what they say though no two cars are the same.
26-12-2009, 06:47 PM
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I work for Audi as a technician mate and you dont need to have the ECU reset after you change a bulb. What may of happened is that you put a twin filament bulb in instead of a single filament which it turn can give incorrect signals back to the onboard power controll unit which controlls bulb warning. I have seen this a few times before and thats usually the case.
If you have to replace a bulb in future mate just replace it and do an ignition cyclr (on and off) and it should reset it aslong as the correct bulb is used.
And for the record All bulbs are covered by Audi's 3yr warrenty
If you have to replace a bulb in future mate just replace it and do an ignition cyclr (on and off) and it should reset it aslong as the correct bulb is used.
And for the record All bulbs are covered by Audi's 3yr warrenty
26-12-2009, 07:05 PM
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26-12-2009, 07:13 PM
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Last two weeks the A3 tdi has been cutting out now n then at junctions, then the glow plug light started flashing on our way to skegness last saturday, so il pulled over, turned engine off. Tried to start it, it sounded like a tractor 
Tried again fired up as normal, off we went, no toruble. Tuesday Lindsay rings, the glow plug light is on again and another one 
So next day she rings Audi, who decide to send someone out as it may not be safe for Lindsay to drive - fair enough 
Bloke puts it on tester and says 'ah, have you changed the left brake bulb recently?' Lindsay says well my husband did yes. Bloke said thats your problem, its still registering a fault with the brake light, which registers a fault with the braking system and reduces power etc...So she says so what do we have to do when a bulb goes? Get us out or take it to Audi he says Sorry, but thats just a joke! Glad im going back to the blue oval on 2nd sept Or are all new cars like this now?
Tried again fired up as normal, off we went, no toruble. Tuesday Lindsay rings, the glow plug light is on again and another one So next day she rings Audi, who decide to send someone out as it may not be safe for Lindsay to drive - fair enough Bloke puts it on tester and says 'ah, have you changed the left brake bulb recently?' Lindsay says well my husband did yes. Bloke said thats your problem, its still registering a fault with the brake light, which registers a fault with the braking system and reduces power etc...So she says so what do we have to do when a bulb goes? Get us out or take it to Audi he says Sorry, but thats just a joke! Glad im going back to the blue oval on 2nd sept Or are all new cars like this now?
26-12-2009, 07:22 PM
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26-12-2009, 07:24 PM
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wouldnt surprise me if in 10 years you cant even change a wiper without going to a dealer.
Its simple money why they doing it. main dealers have lost a lot of money due to cheap independents and the changes meaning that independant stamps are acceptable for warranty.
So simple solution is design new cars so that you need specialist dealer tools even for simple jobs. que main dealers garunteeing future servicing trade on new cars. plus they can charge what they wan as the consumer wont have a choice.
Its simple money why they doing it. main dealers have lost a lot of money due to cheap independents and the changes meaning that independant stamps are acceptable for warranty.
So simple solution is design new cars so that you need specialist dealer tools even for simple jobs. que main dealers garunteeing future servicing trade on new cars. plus they can charge what they wan as the consumer wont have a choice.
26-12-2009, 07:40 PM
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it does worry me how engineering industry spent the last 50 years trying to engineer parts to common standards, ease of maintenance etc and yet now we are expending considerable money deliberately reversing all that just to make the dealers extra money.
26-12-2009, 08:09 PM
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wouldnt surprise me if in 10 years you cant even change a wiper without going to a dealer.
Its simple money why they doing it. main dealers have lost a lot of money due to cheap independents and the changes meaning that independant stamps are acceptable for warranty.
So simple solution is design new cars so that you need specialist dealer tools even for simple jobs. que main dealers garunteeing future servicing trade on new cars. plus they can charge what they wan as the consumer wont have a choice.
Its simple money why they doing it. main dealers have lost a lot of money due to cheap independents and the changes meaning that independant stamps are acceptable for warranty.
So simple solution is design new cars so that you need specialist dealer tools even for simple jobs. que main dealers garunteeing future servicing trade on new cars. plus they can charge what they wan as the consumer wont have a choice.
Block Exemption allowed the Independant repairer access to information required to repair modern vehicles. The manufacturer was obliged by law to supply it without prejudice to any trade repairer who requested it. This means that the motor repair trade can purchase anything that the dealer can, from the manufacturer including diagnostic tools, eg Mercedes Star, Renault Clip, Tech 2000 and now Tech 3000, Ford Mazda JLR IDS etc.
Now that Block Exemption has expired, Euro 5 has taken over which is an enhanced, more stringent version. The manufacturer now has to supply access to their dealer servers for calibration updates. This requires a PassThru enabled diagnostic tool. This means the independant repairer can provide a near dealer level service with the only exclusions being security and immobilisers.
These laws are to prevent monopolisation by the dealers and manufacturers.
26-12-2009, 09:24 PM
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Which is why we have laws like Block Exemption and Now that it has expired, Euro 5.
. This means the independant repairer can provide a near dealer level service with the only exclusions being security and immobilisers.
These laws are to prevent monopolisation by the dealers and manufacturers.
. This means the independant repairer can provide a near dealer level service with the only exclusions being security and immobilisers.
These laws are to prevent monopolisation by the dealers and manufacturers.
Only to the extent set out in EU5 though, we can produce standalone systems that have no relevance to eu systems and not have to release anything what so ever, this has been happening since 1990 that i know of, hence P1 codes would be the easiest way of noticing it
26-12-2009, 09:48 PM
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Within EU5, there is requirement for the manufacturer to provide all information required to repair the vehicle at reasonable and proporionate cost as well as provide multi diagnostic tool manufacturers with the relevant info to allow connection and diagnostics easier. They also have to comply with an ISO standard language and component naming. This applies to all systems on a vehicle including the security systems although to do the security, you will need vetting.
No doubt some people will find a loop hole somewhere.
26-12-2009, 10:36 PM
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I work for Audi as a technician mate and you dont need to have the ECU reset after you change a bulb. What may of happened is that you put a twin filament bulb in instead of a single filament which it turn can give incorrect signals back to the onboard power controll unit which controlls bulb warning. I have seen this a few times before and thats usually the case.
If you have to replace a bulb in future mate just replace it and do an ignition cyclr (on and off) and it should reset it aslong as the correct bulb is used.
And for the record All bulbs are covered by Audi's 3yr warrenty
If you have to replace a bulb in future mate just replace it and do an ignition cyclr (on and off) and it should reset it aslong as the correct bulb is used.
And for the record All bulbs are covered by Audi's 3yr warrenty
I just bought the bulb that it said to buy in the Halfords book! Typical eh lol! Dont care now as i bought a new Focus in September but again thanks anyways
27-12-2009, 06:39 AM
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Lee, i'm glad you read the post by Harris, cracks me up how he explains that the audi dosn't need a dealer reset yet so many post after still moaning about it
as for specialist tools etc for modern cars, there not there to make dealers extra money, there to do a specific job, the tool is normally expensive to buy so the price will be reflected onto the end user
cars are very advanced these days, go back to 70's when a car had a basic loom & 4 fuses to run the whole car!
as for specialist tools etc for modern cars, there not there to make dealers extra money, there to do a specific job, the tool is normally expensive to buy so the price will be reflected onto the end user
cars are very advanced these days, go back to 70's when a car had a basic loom & 4 fuses to run the whole car!
27-12-2009, 09:11 AM
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Lee, i'm glad you read the post by Harris, cracks me up how he explains that the audi dosn't need a dealer reset yet so many post after still moaning about it
as for specialist tools etc for modern cars, there not there to make dealers extra money, there to do a specific job, the tool is normally expensive to buy so the price will be reflected onto the end user
cars are very advanced these days, go back to 70's when a car had a basic loom & 4 fuses to run the whole car!
as for specialist tools etc for modern cars, there not there to make dealers extra money, there to do a specific job, the tool is normally expensive to buy so the price will be reflected onto the end user
cars are very advanced these days, go back to 70's when a car had a basic loom & 4 fuses to run the whole car!
27-12-2009, 07:13 PM
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Mark, to sell an N1 passenger vehicle within the EU it has to be E marked. To get it E marked every system has to comply to EU legislation. This will extend to everything by 2014 with whole vehicle type approval. Any vehicle fitted with a non type approved system is illegal if sold within the EU.
Within EU5, there is requirement for the manufacturer to provide all information required to repair the vehicle at reasonable and proporionate cost as well as provide multi diagnostic tool manufacturers with the relevant info to allow connection and diagnostics easier. They also have to comply with an ISO standard language and component naming. This applies to all systems on a vehicle including the security systems although to do the security, you will need vetting.
No doubt some people will find a loop hole somewhere.
Within EU5, there is requirement for the manufacturer to provide all information required to repair the vehicle at reasonable and proporionate cost as well as provide multi diagnostic tool manufacturers with the relevant info to allow connection and diagnostics easier. They also have to comply with an ISO standard language and component naming. This applies to all systems on a vehicle including the security systems although to do the security, you will need vetting.
No doubt some people will find a loop hole somewhere.
thats correct, but only relevant to eu regs, nothing that states we cannot fit dealer accesible systems not relevant to eu regs.
27-12-2009, 07:26 PM
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all just another way to make you use dealers for everything......bloody joke
at some point ever ones gonna need there on diagnostics machine in there toolbox
at some point ever ones gonna need there on diagnostics machine in there toolbox
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I am unsure how a manufacturer can fit a system (any system at all) that a dealer can obtain information about (to repair or maintain) yet an independent cannot without breaking the law. The regulations state that the independent must have access to the same information.
The only restriced area is the security systems.
27-12-2009, 08:50 PM
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Mark, EU5 regs stipulate that the manufacturer MUST make available the same repair and maintenance information to the independent operator as they supply to the dealers.
I am unsure how a manufacturer can fit a system (any system at all) that a dealer can obtain information about (to repair or maintain) yet an independent cannot without breaking the law. The regulations state that the independent must have access to the same information.
The only restriced area is the security systems.
I am unsure how a manufacturer can fit a system (any system at all) that a dealer can obtain information about (to repair or maintain) yet an independent cannot without breaking the law. The regulations state that the independent must have access to the same information.
The only restriced area is the security systems.
, these have not and as far as i am away will have nothing to do with any eu regulations either.
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From what I have read, the manufacturer cannot discriminate between the dealer and independent. The dealer has access to the same information in the same format as the independent. The only statement I read about the security systems was that they still had to provide information but only to vetted and approved repairers. How they do that I am unsure. I am unsure how the industry will pan out over the next 12 months but it could be a little interesting to say the least.
I am unsure what systems will get around the EU5 legislation unless they do restrict it to purely emissions controls ultimately.
I am unsure what systems will get around the EU5 legislation unless they do restrict it to purely emissions controls ultimately.
28-12-2009, 07:51 AM
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I have replaced LOADS of bulbs in Audi/VW and never once had to reset using the Diag, I fear it was a bullshit story to make them sound like they fixed something more technical.
It's not like the engine ECU takes it's braking signal from the back lights....... instead many different ECU's will read the braking signal and use or discard it. One of them would be the onboard power supply that will put the brake lights on, and also report to you that the bulb has blown. The Engine or ABS ecu's will still get the signal wether the bulb is blown or not.
It's not like the engine ECU takes it's braking signal from the back lights....... instead many different ECU's will read the braking signal and use or discard it. One of them would be the onboard power supply that will put the brake lights on, and also report to you that the bulb has blown. The Engine or ABS ecu's will still get the signal wether the bulb is blown or not.
28-12-2009, 04:01 PM
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relays?
Not on a modern car for the lights LOL
Its not an old ford you know!
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