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Old 17-12-2004, 02:37 PM
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Default GT35...on its way

Cant tell you the spec i went for (and yes i do know as i had to order it )....BUT its gonna be perfect for my specification....600 - 630bhp is the plan now on pump fuel and whatever on 116ron.I decided trying for 650 plus was too much in the way of power band as i am only reving to 8000rpm and a bigger turbo would need a 9000rpm limit...and that makes them very unreliable imo....its gonna be hard enuff as it is!..Plus i feel 600 - 630bhp on pump fuel will make a fairly quick road car and deffo a 200mph car with a long enuff road ..Brunters on race fuel but optimax map i reckon 190mph no probs...on race fuel map possibly 195mph.....but thats NMS style talk

Please you doubters keep coming forward as i am writing all your names down for if i pull this off i got a reserved for your asses
Old 17-12-2004, 02:42 PM
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fingers crossed m8
Old 17-12-2004, 02:46 PM
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best of luck dude
Old 17-12-2004, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Spiky
best of luck dude
Seconded

Personally Id love to see you do it , so get your feckin finger out
Old 17-12-2004, 02:52 PM
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i dont see how you'd be able to do more speed with a revised map - 8000rpm is 8000rpm. if its 180mph at 500bhp, then its gonna be 180mph at 5000000bhpm unless i'm mistaken....

however, good luck with it Phil - I do genuinely hope you succeed.
Old 17-12-2004, 02:54 PM
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id be well impressed to see a diyer up there amongst the top lot too
Old 17-12-2004, 02:55 PM
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go for it phil.
Old 17-12-2004, 02:59 PM
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Mike its called gearing ....More bhp ='s the ability to put taller gearing to pull 8000rpm thus making a higher top speed

Cheers fellas....be ready hopefully by March lastest...just collecting bits...so far ordered Swedish plenum/Arrows rods/GT35/External Wastegate
Old 17-12-2004, 03:01 PM
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Good luck
Old 17-12-2004, 03:01 PM
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SapphyMike,

top speed is not necessarily reached at max rpm, depends on the power curve/gearing
Old 17-12-2004, 03:01 PM
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Sorry Phil - you didnt mention different gearing

Also, you can use std ratio's but with larger gears and you'd be able to theoretically hit 200mph.
Old 17-12-2004, 03:04 PM
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Best of luck mate.

Hope it works out for you.

Old 17-12-2004, 03:40 PM
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good luck !
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why dont you just copy the spec of rod tarrys, seems like the sensible thing to do as it sounds like exactly what you want , takes away the guess work and it has proven itself beyond question
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Originally Posted by the strut brace
why dont you just copy the spec of rod tarrys, seems like the sensible thing to do as it sounds like exactly what you want , takes away the guess work and it has proven itself beyond question
In fact that is what he is doing, even though Phil tries to convince us otherwise, it WILL BE very similar to Rod's spec.....Read the many prevoius posts about this engine - the clues are there..........

I want to be right at the very top of the doubters list please
Old 17-12-2004, 04:02 PM
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That would also take away the fun and the Phil Factor
Old 17-12-2004, 04:06 PM
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oh , i see, well theres nowt wrong in that, at least he's copying the best
Old 17-12-2004, 04:09 PM
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Gwaaaan Phil!
Old 17-12-2004, 04:10 PM
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Good luck mate hope you do it, but why dont you drive it yourself rather than MikeR?
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As said the only thing in common between Rods and my engine is the turbo!...and that is the identical specced.

The rest IS totally different and in a different costing league as my DIY is always based on budget...what you are gonna see next year is a 600+BHP BUDGET DIY engine up at the top amongst the VERY bling engines.

So Doug if it makes you feel cool to say my engine IS Rods spec then i have no probs ..as you are being red herring'd into thinking i am on big bling budget
Old 17-12-2004, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by the strut brace
why dont you just copy the spec of rod tarrys, seems like the sensible thing to do as it sounds like exactly what you want , takes away the guess work and it has proven itself beyond question
Mine has custom stroker crank/Longer Rods & Higher Gungeon in the Piston & even though Mark admires Phil , he aint going to let him into the MAD secrets,
I hope he does crack 600horses & with proper gearing 190 is a poss at Brunters. BEST OF LUCK PHIL.
Rod
ps. Im a bit concered about Mike R doing the driving he has no experience at this Level Phil . Ive been over 198 so perhaps you should let me drive. .
Old 17-12-2004, 04:18 PM
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do i detect a bit of sarcasm there rod

phil, when you say a 'budget' what kind of money are we talking here coz as i can see youre into many many thousands , thats some bargain budget you rich fooker
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MarkJ.....i only wish to build it...i have no interest in trying to drive beyond my capabilities to acheive a good top speed...that involves skill especially at Brunters and therefore Mike is the "man" for the job..and i mean that in an experience way as he is nowhere near a "real" man far from it..a girl with a cock best describes him ....i look past his driving accident record and the fact that he is currently being considered as the next accident test dummy for Skoda
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Phil, Are you going to use the S8 ECU still ?

If so, I can offer a proper engine dyno session with an experienced mapper at a
VERY good price as you are doing this as a public exercise.

(Or you can use any other mapper you wish at this dyno)

The same dyno that MADRods engine was mapped on

At least then you would have confidence in the engines performance whilst the car is being driven fast !

Old 17-12-2004, 04:23 PM
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top offer
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Go on phil hope u get what you want mate would be funny reading the reply's from your doubters and i think secs has given you an excellent offer mate take it up!
Old 17-12-2004, 04:29 PM
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Simon...S8 yes.....i have sent a cheque first class today mate....BUT dont expect it next day due to christmas Thanks for the blinding deal

It will be mapped at the venue you said i think
Old 17-12-2004, 04:31 PM
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Good luck Phil, I hope we get to see a dyno plot and some times for this engine
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Originally Posted by the strut brace
do i detect a bit of sarcasm there rod

phil, when you say a 'budget' what kind of money are we talking here coz as i can see youre into many many thousands , thats some bargain budget you rich fooker
Not about wishing Phil the best of Luck , i really wish him well .
Old 17-12-2004, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bosch Man
Mike its called gearing ....More bhp ='s the ability to put taller gearing to pull 8000rpm thus making a higher top speed
no its called torque!

torque lets you pull gearing... power or BHP is the amount of torque in a certian time span.

alex
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Alex i know what i mean!...thats what will make it more amazing if i pull it off ...oh mine will have alot of torque due to certain aspects!

I spent 3k in 10 fooking minutes...coulda bought a mint bean tin for that..ROFL ...Bet in the end i wish i had!
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Budget and DIY in the same sentance as 600bhp.Interesting
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Phillip. Even tho your a pike faced pillock I REALLY do hope ya make it over 600 bhp and 190 mate
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Its 1 L...PHILIP Cheers chimp
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Ah right Thought it was PhiLLip as in PhiLLis
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As I said before I think you will definately do it You are following some tried and tested routes now and getting advice from top people (and listening for a change!)

Hardly a real DIY job though is it!!!!
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Originally Posted by Porkie
Hardly a real DIY job though is it!!!!
Oh Lee, Now you have done it

Like a red rag to a bull
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Porkie This is my own specced engine..full DIY baby!....What i am trying to acheive is a proper driving car off boost without all the pain in the arse to get out of a junction ..Then on hitting 4000rpm you enter what can only be described as "certain death" ...All top speed runs will HAVE to run race fuel!.......This aint your 1980's type build...its a 2005 build

I dont think there is any problems acheiving 600plus considering the turbo BUT its holding it together!..BTW Porkie....you stopped at 2bar didnt you on the dyno???...I may go 2.5bar for a laugh ...although i heard of issues in the 2wd manifold starting to restrict???
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The issues you have 'heard' are clearly from Mike! Yes I reckon the 2wd manifold is pretty much at the limit. BUT thats my theory and I know NOTHING!

We only revved mine to 7500rpm at 2.2 bar on the Dyno. In hindsight, yes I REALLY do wish we have revved it alot higher but never mind. I don't think any more boost would have given any more power but it would have DEFINATLEY made more with higher revs. But don't forget I only wanted a solid 500bhp so anything over that was a bonus.... and as soon as I saw 600bhp I said STOOOOOP!!!!!

You should make over 600bhp with that Turbo easily if the Cams and head are right and I presume they will be. 190 should be on.

Why not drive it yourself... as Rod said he has done 198
Old 18-12-2004, 01:35 PM
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Phil, Karl Norris has a mad power engine, revs really high and from what I saw of it, it is excellent off boost aswell, I think that was one of Karl's considerations when designing it. It can be done

Not sure he'd fancy telling you how tho



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