coco16i

Have fitted a BOA engine into my Mk3 Capri and am struggling to get the correct type starter motor i need for it, im using a type 9 box and was told the starter i needed was one from a 2.8i capri, got one of them and its too big and fouls the sump !!

Then i was informed it was the smaller type starter as fitted to the 2.9i engines, can anyone tell me for sure what starter i need as am getting desperate to hear the old bitch fire up !!!!!

dojj

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you should need the starter to match the flywheel you are using

some have 3 bolts but more only have 2

and you have 8 and 9 teeth on the poinion as well to consider

The Youth.

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presume a starter from a 2.8 xr4x4 or xr4i is what you need they used the type 9 box on the back of a v6

steve

coco16i

Thats what i thought as well ! Got one from a 2.8i capri and its too big

Its a 2 bolt bellhousing Dojj on the type 9 box im using, originally tried the starter motor from the granada the engine came out of but was very slow to turn over so either the starter is goosed or the teeth on the bendix are incorrect to match the flywheel ( from a 2.8i capri )

dojj

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have you tried the capri one?
how is it too big?
the teeth mesh or the actual fitment into the apatrure?

bj928

i'm sure most the conversions we've done with the 24v, always used the 24v granada starter, its a lot thinner than the 2.8i starter, the 2.8i starter because its fatter fouls on the oil drain from the block, zetec might work.

coco16i

Yeah i tried the capri one and it wont line up square and flush with the bellhousing due to the body of the starter motor fouling the side of the sump, even tried grinding the starter like fuck in the hope of getting it to line up but no luck !!!!!

dojj

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measure the holes in the bellhousing, i'm sure i can get you the info for the one that "should" fit in there

cossydave377

any news on this as i have a boa and type 9 with a starter that is playing up.
i can send pics if it helps identify the starter motor as i need a replacement as well.
been told its a 2.8 xr4i one or a 24v boa one but the guy cant rememnber 100%
im thinking about getting this one reconditioned.

rich123

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u want the stater of a 2.8 sierra

kosman

ring top boss in derby me man,they should be able to sort you out.

coco16i

Unless they are a lot smaller in size compared to the Capri 2.8i one's it wont work, catches on the 24v sump and wont line up correctly with the bolt holes in the bellhousing.


I've still not got this problem figured out yet !

Have kind of left the mechanical side of the car for a while and been concentrating on the bodywork but am still after the correct info regarding the exact starter to use !


So far i have tried the original Granada 24v starter = slow to crank engine,
Capri 2.8i starter= slow to crank engine (after a lot of grinding to get it to fit the hole!)
A known good starter from a 2.9i XR4x4 with 24v engine fitted against a MT75 box= slow to crank engine,
Brand new Granada 24v starter= still fucking slow to crank over !!!!


I know for sure its not a wiring problem, have tried heavy duty jump leads direct onto the starter and still slow cranking, starter spins nice and quick when you unbolt it and put power directly onto it, fit it in the hole and its slow cranking !

Engine spins over with a socket on the crank pulley easy enough, feels like a good amount of compression without there feeling like its tight or has a problem internal.


Car is gettin painted in couple of weeks so will be back at it then to try and sort this bastard problem out once and for all !

Someone has told me to try the flywheel from a 2.9i XR4x4 Sierra as they are different to the Capri 2.8i, am either gonna try and get one of them or else try skimming the rear face of my 2.8i one so it sits further away from the starter as seems like the starter is going in too far and possibly jamming on the starter ring on the flywheel !

24vcossiemat

i've got a mate that bought i 2.9 24v engine off me an he used the 24v starter. you say it turns slow.. maybe the starter you have is on its way out if it aon't been used for ages

24vcossiemat

sorry, forget that last message, he used the autobox with it so it would woudn't it.. what a moby I am.

dojj

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you need to match the starter to the flywheel

so if you've got a 8 ring or an 8 ring, you need to make sure they are the same

also, some starters have 2 bolts and others have 3, so there is a bit of a mix and match to go on

cossydave377

yea mines got 2 bolts
the guy i bought the car off (already BOA'd) is 90% sure he used the BOA starter but said he wouldnt put money on it.
still none the wiser!

dojj

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the flywheel is only twice the weight and twice the thickness
everything else is the same

coco16i

So WHY is mine so bastard slow to crank over !!!!!!!


Have tried 2.8i clutch, flywheel, bellhousing and spigot bearing and still its not working ! Its all Capri 2.8i parts except the starter which is 2.9 24v, even with a Capri 2.8i starter fitted its exactly the same !

bj928

this maybe silly, but is the earth strap on the engine, i've had slow turning in the past and all it was, was not earthing properly, and seeing as all starters you've tried are turning slow, it doesn't sound like a starter problem, i've got a 24v capri on ebay at the moment, and i'm sure its using the 24v granada starter.

coco16i

Have tried all the earths as well, i welded a 10mm bolt onto the top of the passenger side chassis leg and bolted an earth wire from the bottom starter bolt onto this so cant get a much better earth than that i would say !

In addition to that i also used a heavy duty jump lead from the bellhousing to the body as an extra earth, still no difference !!!

xr4x4rs

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definitly sounds like an earth problem, have you tried putting a jump lead on neg side of battery to a fresh earth point on body somewhere that you know will get a good earth

coco16i

Have tried the neg of the battery onto the new earth bolt on the chassis leg and again made no difference.

I had an earth lead from the bellhousing to the chassis and also a jump lead from the starter to the body, also a good clean earth point from the battery to the body, doesn't seem to make any difference !

Have also tried this with the engine and box out and on the floor, earth from the battery direct onto one of the bellhousing bolts !


The only way i can get it to crank over at a half resonable speed is when i have my battery charger hooked up and use the boost feature on it !

TurboShed

Knackered battery?

cossydave377

i was thinking that.

what about if you remove the plugs? does it spin over fast then?

Pudnpepsi

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i have a 24v starter bumping around... PM me if ya need one...