So which mag do you recommend for mine then as mine is standard?

 

Fucking bullshit bollecks cunts.......

I buy Fast Ford at Stanstead this morning good read all good, still staff cars behind the times but hey ho only mentioned it to Dan yesterday, l get home feeling peckish go to the local newsagent and see Performance Ford in a sealed bag with a Burtons catologue, it has Sidewaysdans Series 1 on it so l pick it up, open it up and whats in the fucking thing

RS FOC Focus, Great car mate but for fucks sake sort it out and then that Fiesta with an Evo engine again great car but have a fucking work what a really waste of money, surely you guys have mobile phones and features backed up ready to go, l find it hard to beleive that you live hand to mouth with feature cars

Really gets on my fucking tits what an utter waste

Mike

 

Wow, Im amazed just by how far you missed my point, you said that they get given free stuff in exchange for good reviews, and I was pointing out that if they give good reviews about bad stuff, that would just end up with them being given freebies they didnt want!

 

dont PF and FF share the same building??

i felt let down aswell

 

You would think so after these last editions, to be honest i think that is possibly me done buying either, i own a Porsche for fucks sake it was purely down to a passion for old Fords that kept me buying either but this is crazy

Mike

 

No, they are totally seperate mags owned by completely different companies.

 

That's the point of the thread, so I'm surprised you went and bought it!!!

For the record - We had shot both cars before PF, and with the Focus we told them that we'd done so, but they chose to run with it anyway. We suspected the same with the Fiesta, but when we shot it PF hadn't even been in touch with him. PF later asked him and he told them we'd shot it, but again they chose to run with it.

We do have contact with PF when this issue arises, and up until now our 'agreement' has worked ok.

We don't live 'hand-to-mouth' but when you're in direct competition with another magazine shooting a car and holding onto it can be dangerous, as your competitor can sneak it in and shoot it, meaning you've got a wasted shoot and a big bill.

 

the short version:
too many small things that keep going wrong with pf that no one seemed to put right
whereas with ff, if there was a problem it didn't happen again

if you want th elong version, go back a page

 

Dan PF has just come into the shops around me,

If what you say is true and l have no reason to not beleive it then l wont be buying fucking Performance Ford again, that is taking the piss. Why would they do that?

Mike

 

I prefer ff, as I feel that they feature the everday cars, like mine

It is my everyday car and it has dirt and oil under the bonnet shocker! I must admit I did polish the granny out of it the week before the feature though.

When I spoke to pf about a feature a while ago they didn't seem interested. I get the impression that if it ain't a cossie then it won't get in.

 

when fastford featured my old fez last year i polished it like mad the week before and that was my every day car to

 

After reading the 2 of them a few things have become obvious, call me padantic but

Fast Ford have the Uppers and Downers (pg 33) section now Performance Ford have Planet PF (pg 15) Hot and Not pretty much the same bloody thing

The Products section looks like a dam near spot on copy, you pretty much could be mistaken for not knowing which mag you were reading,

Even on the car details the format looks very similar

They also now have a retrospective section in with the old rs end, call me crazy but this is very similar to the back cover they run on FF

The technical articles do not even come in to it, Stus articles and the format is far better then PF

Not cool, looks like they need to go back to the drawing board at PF

Anyway rant over i'm of to red Decanter and look at wine reviews lol

Mike

 

Well, I think both mags are excellent, although I do like the technical articles in FF better due to the immensely handsome guy in the top left corner of them.

 

At the time of arranging the photoshoots, which was several weeks prior, neither mag had photographed the cars. We always ask whether a car has been or is scheduled for FF. As it turns out FF did shoot the cars before us, but only by a matter of days and neither of the owners made it clear at the time that this had happened so we did so in good faith, as I'm sure did FF.

We became aware later on that the Focus had been shot a couple of days before by FF and after discussing the matter with FF, discussing the matter with the owner (for the record, once we'd explained the situation of having the car in both mags he told us in no uncertain terms that he wanted his car in PF) and taking the costs into account, decided to run with it.

We didn't know about the Fiesta until later and when we found out it was just too late to do anything about it. It was a mix up and we'll do our best not to let it happen again.

As I said before:

Regarding the doubling up of features in the current issues of PF and FF, this was more to do with the owners, rather than any deliberate attempt by either party to scupper the other mag. It's disappointing and annoying for those that buy both, which is why we always make a point of asking the owner of a feature car before a photoshoot, but sometimes cars slip through the net. All I can say is we'll re-double efforts to prevent it in the future.

Cheers, Luke

 

I think you're confusing that with the Editor's intro page

 

RWD Lynch (Focus Owner) "I didn't think i was doing anything wrong doing a shoot for another magazine, they didn't ask if i had already done a shoot for anybody else"

Peter Taddei (Fiesta Owner) "Fast Ford were the first magazine to shoot the car. After which I was contacted by Performance Ford who asked if they could feature it. Performance Ford never asked if anyone else had shown any interest or been out to shoot the car. At a later date I was contacted regarding the Performance Ford shoot and asked directly if Fast Ford shot the car. I made no effort to deceive or hide it from anyone and made it perfectly clear that Fast Ford had done a shoot."

 

That's the biggest load of crap posted in this thread...

 

I always buy both mags.I love my fords after all.

 

Thats just the impression I got mate, from my direct contact with them. IMHO you don't see enough Fiesta's or Fiesta related products in there...which is where my main interest lies.

 

There is at least one fiesta in there every few months with both mags from what I recall.

Trouble is though, people have to build interesting enough ones to get in there.


If its anything like TV then I would imagine getting a fiesta featured is easier than getting a cossie featured.

With Total Vauxhall if you have something like a Calibra which not many people do up, it makes it easier to get featured than if you have a corsa, assuming both are done to the same standard.


Luca off her for example, I would imagine has had BOTH mags knocking at his door for his car to feature!

 

There's a Fiesta on the front cover of this month's Performance Ford.....

 

Unfortunately I don't have any quotes handy.

As I said before:

Regarding the doubling up of features in the current issues of PF and FF, this was more to do with the owners, rather than any deliberate attempt by either party to scupper the other mag. It's disappointing and annoying for those that buy both, which is why we always make a point of asking the owner of a feature car before a photoshoot, but sometimes cars slip through the net. All I can say is we'll re-double efforts to prevent it in the future.

 

Oh and I've just realised who you are matt-fez. Very nice car and well worthy of it's feature

 

Luke i would have thought you would come up with something other than copying your previous post?

Mike

 

I don't think there's been any accusation of 'scuppering', as the only mag you're scuppering by coming out second is your own.

Let's just make sure we're both more on the ball, to avoid pissing people off in the future.

 

Why thank you

Haven't seen this month's pf but probably will tonight if my brother has finished reading his copy lol

I know what you mean Chip, there are a lot more top class cossies than there are Fezza's. If it were my mag though I'd have Fiesta's from cover to cover. Do you think it would sell many copies?

 

so whens the next cosworth thrash gonna be and which mags doing it, cosworths sell ford mags and if the readers want cake give it to them

 

Maybe if you call it "fiesta" and everyone thinks its a porn mag.

 

I think we're onto something here

 

pmsl,wait for all the cossie's arent teh be all and end all comments now bud.lol you will hit a nerve there.

 

well there not

 

with titles like "performance" and "fast" you can't really put a cooking motor in there that just clean and get away with it can you

but it's not like you can just drop a bigger lump in and be done with it as the cossie is the motor of choice for rwd and the zetec or equivalent is for the fwd boys to play with

no one bothers with the newer motors really even though i think that's where the easiest benifits in regards to bolt on performance mods are going to be found because if you do it then everyone else has done it, and there is a definiate lack of originality going on with the newer cars, everything bar the focus st, the modern day cossie

this arguement will probably run for ever and ever, but until pf start to up their game and are seen to be a worthy rival to ff like they were in the past, they might as well start sticking vectras in to make it different

on another note, woh's going to be the first to get a mk4 mondeo in?

 

My local newsagents, Sainsburys & Morrison dont sell PF or FF at all The only place is WHSmiths in town & then I have to pay to park to go there aswell. Looking to get an ST soon so want to read the ST vs RS article.

Andy

 

subscribe to one of them or both m8 saves the hassle

 

I dont want ot every month. I only get them (usually FF) when it has someting in it that im interested in. Ive already got a subscription to Top Gear mag as a present from work when I switched jobs.

Andy

 

Out of interest, what kind of things make you pick it up?

 

cars modded like luke (queenie) madyeti or twins awesome s2

they have both been modded in a huge way, really thought about everything


the whole/s just seem to work so well

 

Nice cover car, keep in touch with the Ford scene. Dunno, no real specific reason. Usually only got it of there was a Focus featured, so I could get ideas for mine. Got the last one with the free stickers . Trying to get the current one for the Focus ST vs RS article. Think ive only bought PF once, prefer FF.

Andy

 

still luv P.F,well done guys

 

I was recently contacted by a magazine to organise a feature and the first thing that was asked was has it been in another mag whilst owned by me or a previous owner