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19-04-2009, 08:03 PM
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What would you say is a fair comparison to an Escos that you would consider to be 'fast'?
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19-04-2009, 08:10 PM
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i reckon there must be something up with it mate, or as said , maybe the fella took a few of the good bits off before selling it, i own an e36 325 coupe (approx 200 hp) and to be honest , its probably not as quick as a healthy standard 2 wheeler, good luck with the check up, could easily be down on power because of something daft, it is a cossie after all!!!
19-04-2009, 08:24 PM
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Did you read my earlier post where I quoted my sources ( 3 different mags ) for the 0-60 and 0-100 times? 
....maybe not....
5.7 would have to hit the sweet spot in every gear and be going down hill lol
They came out of mags who tested the cars when new with Correvit/Datron timing gear.
I'll respect the 1/4 mile times they obtained in the absence of having an example of each
Autocars figures for the Sapphire Cosworth were 0-100 in 15.8 and 143mph.
Same mags figures for the Clio 197 were 0-100 in 18.7 and 132mph.
They both weigh roughly the same according to the test figures
yes the 2wd sapph is a high 15sec car that's right, but that's bs on the 197 being a high 18sec car, it's a mid/high 15sec car all day long, who the f**k drove it
don't belive all you read as the saying goes
if i ever see a sapph v a clio 197 go down the strip, then that will be proof, untill then...
I would suggest that the Ford is fast for a 200bhp 1220kg car.
If you don't think that a 20 year old Sapphire Cosworth that can run to 60 in 5.8 seconds and onto 100 in 10 more is fast these days, have a look at 50 modern cars with that power and weight and see how it compares. Of course if you drive around in a new M3 with double the power (414bhp ) and only a third as much weight again as the Sapphire it will be much faster, especially at higher speeds..........but I still think 60 in less than 6 seconds is pretty quick .......even these days.
As for being a Ford fanboy, well, yes I am on here of course but I'm not totally blinkered and have had other makes of "fast" cars.
....maybe not....5.7 would have to hit the sweet spot in every gear and be going down hill lol
They came out of mags who tested the cars when new with Correvit/Datron timing gear.
I'll respect the 1/4 mile times they obtained in the absence of having an example of each
Autocars figures for the Sapphire Cosworth were 0-100 in 15.8 and 143mph.
Same mags figures for the Clio 197 were 0-100 in 18.7 and 132mph.
They both weigh roughly the same according to the test figures
yes the 2wd sapph is a high 15sec car that's right, but that's bs on the 197 being a high 18sec car, it's a mid/high 15sec car all day long, who the f**k drove it
don't belive all you read as the saying goes
if i ever see a sapph v a clio 197 go down the strip, then that will be proof, untill then...
I would suggest that the Ford is fast for a 200bhp 1220kg car.
If you don't think that a 20 year old Sapphire Cosworth that can run to 60 in 5.8 seconds and onto 100 in 10 more is fast these days, have a look at 50 modern cars with that power and weight and see how it compares. Of course if you drive around in a new M3 with double the power (414bhp ) and only a third as much weight again as the Sapphire it will be much faster, especially at higher speeds..........but I still think 60 in less than 6 seconds is pretty quick .......even these days.
As for being a Ford fanboy, well, yes I am on here of course but I'm not totally blinkered and have had other makes of "fast" cars.
i'm a ford fan to, but know the real difference between a fast car and a real fast car, but alot of people don't grasp this
19-04-2009, 08:28 PM
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To be honest, if you have a run in the likes of a Metro 6R4 rallycross car then yes, a Cosworth will seem like a 1.2 Corsa in comparison. Lol
19-04-2009, 08:32 PM
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I'm not lucky enough to live in an area festooned with Ferrari Enzos, Bugatti Veyrons and EVO FQ 400s that can all do under 5seconds........
I would class those as "very fast" if it makes you feel better....
19-04-2009, 08:37 PM
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The Escort Cosworths fall into insurance group 20 because they are a performance car. Also, there have been plenty stolen. Why do you think the burglars etc stole them to use as getaway cars? Because they were slow as you say, and they would be easily caught by pursuing traffic cops?
What would you say is a fair comparison to an Escos that you would consider to be 'fast'?
What would you say is a fair comparison to an Escos that you would consider to be 'fast'?
why do you think ford stopped making cossies??? because of the jap stuff, it couldn't compete with evo's and the like's
19-04-2009, 08:44 PM
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I knew when I had it that any tuned Sti's would blow it away easily, but the fact remains that it was still a fast car in comparison to the majority of cars on the road...and that's what people in this thread are getting at when they say the Escort Cos is a fast car.
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there are lot's of cheap cars out there that do 0-60 in under 5sec
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The last car I had was an Impreza UK Turbo running circa 280bhp with a TD04. I would say it was quicker than a standard Sti because of the lack of turbo lag, and the quality of the map getting the most out of the supporting mods.
I knew when I had it that any tuned Sti's would blow it away easily, but the fact remains that it was still a fast car in comparison to the majority of cars on the road...and that's what people in this thread are getting at when they say the Escort Cos is a fast car.
I knew when I had it that any tuned Sti's would blow it away easily, but the fact remains that it was still a fast car in comparison to the majority of cars on the road...and that's what people in this thread are getting at when they say the Escort Cos is a fast car.
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Well the modern day equivalent would be the hot hatches which have replaced Cosworths etc. So I'd say it does pretty well against them...especially considering it's age.
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not really there are many standard hatches etc out there with just n/a power that will see off cossies
19-04-2009, 09:05 PM
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Dan, I've got a 328i Sport as well chap and a standard Sapphire Cosworth pulls away quite easily.......apparently it's not a fast car though ....
19-04-2009, 09:08 PM
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19-04-2009, 09:12 PM
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http://www.fastsaloons.com/sixtytonne.php
have a look on here, and filter it by 0-60 time. ou should see the Sierra Saph Cosworth at no' 104 and 134. When comparing it to the rest of the vehicles in the list, I would regard plenty of them to be in a more upmarket price sector. Also look through the list and compare the year of manufacturer ranges there and you should find that the coworth is one of the oldest vehicles listed in the sub 6 second time. If I am wrong on this, I please correct me.
have a look on here, and filter it by 0-60 time. ou should see the Sierra Saph Cosworth at no' 104 and 134. When comparing it to the rest of the vehicles in the list, I would regard plenty of them to be in a more upmarket price sector. Also look through the list and compare the year of manufacturer ranges there and you should find that the coworth is one of the oldest vehicles listed in the sub 6 second time. If I am wrong on this, I please correct me.
19-04-2009, 09:17 PM
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That did 15.0 seconds exactly according to the 2/7/2003 Autocar road test
Top end of 146mph
Golf R32s ( old and new ) basically match the standard 2wd Cosworth according to the properly timed road tests of 5/2/2003 and 31/01/2006.
All the others I can think like the Honda Civic type-R ( 2001 ) model don't quite make it
0-100 in 16.2 seconds.
Can't find a proper road test of the early CTR that you mentioned in any mag except Performance Car from about 1997/1998 - that's the one IIRC that did 60 in 5.7ish
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they hold there own against newer stuff with more power such as clio v6, astra vxr, s3, and leave em when it comes to handling and tuning
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19-04-2009, 09:46 PM
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19-04-2009, 09:53 PM
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the statement below as I read
0-60 in 5.7 on a 4wd turbo car is not fast fact!
my question is, where is your source to prove the above statement
Why did ford stop making Cosworths
Personaly I do not know without research.
So, after a quick google I found this
http://www.wrc-cosworth.org/dv/history/history.html
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The new Escort RS Cosworth was produced until early in 1996 when EU put a new set of noise regulations for cars to work, and the Escort Cosworth couldn't pass those without modifications. For some reason Ford then decided to stop the production instead of changing the car so it would be within the new noise regulations. And that was the end to the Escort RS Cosworth. The last car rolled out of the factory on the 12th of January 1996. Then 7.145 Escort Cosworths had been produced
0-60 in 5.7 on a 4wd turbo car is not fast fact!
my question is, where is your source to prove the above statement
Why did ford stop making Cosworths
Personaly I do not know without research.
So, after a quick google I found this
http://www.wrc-cosworth.org/dv/history/history.html
to quote from this page
The new Escort RS Cosworth was produced until early in 1996 when EU put a new set of noise regulations for cars to work, and the Escort Cosworth couldn't pass those without modifications. For some reason Ford then decided to stop the production instead of changing the car so it would be within the new noise regulations. And that was the end to the Escort RS Cosworth. The last car rolled out of the factory on the 12th of January 1996. Then 7.145 Escort Cosworths had been produced
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Can you name these naturally aspirated standard hatches that will beat 15.8 seconds to 100? I can think of the Alfa 147GTA with 250bhp
That did 15.0 seconds exactly according to the 2/7/2003 Autocar road test
Top end of 146mph
Golf R32s ( old and new ) basically match the standard 2wd Cosworth according to the properly timed road tests of 5/2/2003 and 31/01/2006.
All the others I can think like the Honda Civic type-R ( 2001 ) model don't quite make it
0-100 in 16.2 seconds.
Can't find a proper road test of the early CTR that you mentioned in any mag except Performance Car from about 1997/1998 - that's the one IIRC that did 60 in 5.7ish
That did 15.0 seconds exactly according to the 2/7/2003 Autocar road test
Top end of 146mph
Golf R32s ( old and new ) basically match the standard 2wd Cosworth according to the properly timed road tests of 5/2/2003 and 31/01/2006.
All the others I can think like the Honda Civic type-R ( 2001 ) model don't quite make it
0-100 in 16.2 seconds.
Can't find a proper road test of the early CTR that you mentioned in any mag except Performance Car from about 1997/1998 - that's the one IIRC that did 60 in 5.7ish
19-04-2009, 09:59 PM
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but from experiance a 2wd saph will out handle a astra vxr they just dont handle at all n thats from experiance!! my mate has 1 and we drive em every day at work. areed about s3 though not sure about v6! never drove 1.
19-04-2009, 10:02 PM
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I quoted my sources....official timed road tests from Autocar magazine that use Correvit/Datron timing gear
Just to repeat
Autocar 17/2/88 issue
Sapphire Cosworth 2wd
0-60 5.8
0-100 15.8
Autocar test of an E36 325i 29/4/92
0-60 7.2
0-100 19.2
I said earlier on that newer cars had more sophisticated suspension systems and more mechanical grip from wider tyres...............but in terms of straight line performance a Sapphire 2wd accelerates faster than an E36 325i ......