Nick D

You just cant do it can you.

You know the answer is yes, I am aware MAD didn't make the block, but who built the engine of parts that failed?

I don't see Rods/Daves sig saying built by cosworth, MAD built the engine and it failed!

Your richkid insults just amuse me to be honest. Keep them coming if they make you feel better.

Jade Goody

I think Mark Shead, Martin @ Reyland, Stu @ MD and any other person with a fanbase rep on here should invest in industrial sized BUTT PLUGS!

OOOHHH YEEEAH!!

That'll stop all the little fcuking parasites creeping up there and taking root!!

rst deany

fpml.......

Martin-Hadland

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Failure and Porkies old car do not belong in the same sentence, end of! Btw it was and still is fitted with a Turk block.

DanW@FastFord

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Funny thread. Lots and lots of baiting, lots and lots of biting, and lots of disagreements going round in circles never to end

All I will add is that the Reyland Sierra put up with more abuse than any car I've ever known and loved every minute of it. There is no way that car failed at anything!

Oh, and good look in TA Andy with your rubbish looking engine

Chip

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What pander to your ego by answering a completely loaded and accusingly worded question so that you can whoop and hollar and go "I was right all along to slag mark off"?

No mate, I cant do that, as in the context you have presented the question, a one word answer cant possibly give anyone reading this thread any useful information, and my interest is in people learning from this site, not in them being fed hatefilled propoganda by the likes of yourself.

An engine that makes so much power that it finds the failure point in a component that came from a trusted source, isnt a BUILD failure, nor is it a spec failure, its a component failure, so no aspect of that failure could possibly be attributed to mark.

So from the point of view of the MAD build that you are referring, there was no failure.

The engine itself was in fact still running even after the block had failed and had moved rather surprisingly.

markk

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i have decided that Chip is to MAD, what Dingy is to NMS

a complete pain in the arse !

If i was Mark Shead (who no doubt is hard at work at this momment) I would be contacting you and telling you to shut the fook up Chip, Im sure he doesnt need anyone in the corner fighting for him, just give it a rest please.

I dont actually know what you have typed for the last 3 pages as ive just ignored all your posts and read the rest as all you say in every post is the same shite.

Nick D

Single most stubborn person I have ever come across.

I don't agree with what you have put in the above, if we lived in your MAD world like the above there would never ever ever be any accountability for anything.

Strange to see some other tuners use the exact same block with no probs, although you stated that it would have happened to anyone. Maybe there is more to the story than any of us will ever know. Your focus on protecting the issue would be enough to raise my suspicions anyway.

Last post on this topic by me.

Nick.

Chip

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So you dont feel that:

"At bruntingthorpe porkies car failed to maintain suitable ACT's so Martin changed to a different which could as part of the development of the car"

is an accurate sentance?


Cause personally I do feel that is correct, I also feel that this sentance is correct:


"Mark tried a different headgasket to see if he could further push the envelope of ignition timing on Rods engine than he could with a WRC one, the gasket failed so he went back to the WRC one as that development route was clearly a dead end path not worth travelling down"



Those sort of sentances, are useful information and not designed to slag anything off, one of the very reasons that I picked Lee's car as an example is I thought everyone one here knew that was my favourite ever ford, hell it even says it in fast ford when I had my car on the cover and they asked me that question, so would realise I was merely putting success and failure in the context of development and what it involves.



At the (compared to the MAD engines being discussed in this thread such as Rod's 838bhp) modest power levels he was running, they seem to work really well, its only when pushed way past 600 that failures seem to start happening, so I find that very believable.
Ade is another example of someone in the 500-600bhp ballpark with no problems at all on his MAD built turkish blocked engine, so everyone seems to be able to get them to achieve that sort of power level ok.

I also think that in applications that require no liners such as Lee's (due to not running antilag etc) they are stronger than in applications where nikasil liners are needed, but thats not something I have enough data to really draw as a firm conclusion.

Chip

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Im not fighting Mark's corner for him at all, Im merely not jumping on the bandwagon of slagging him off that has occurred in this thread.
Im talking completely objectively, as I always do no matter who the tuner is.


So you havent read it, but you are going to comment on it anyway.

Proper bit of PF'ing at its finest that

rsnissan

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can someone please un ban Phil...............then we would have the perfect PF thread

Martin-Hadland

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Have it how you like Chip, Lee's car lost power because of his intercooler nothing failed because of it.

Chip

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As my main motivation for being on car forums is the accurate sharing of information, something I am very passionate about, you will find that as long as people are being idiotic and talking nonsense, I will continue to correct them.

Quite the opposite, Ive explained fully who is responsible for the failure, cosworth for suppling the block that failed.

Its not just other tuners MAD too mate. Ade's block hasnt failed, as like Lee's engine he isnt stressing it enough for it to do so, if either of them wound the power up, then they would risk that failure.
One thing you are missing though that in my experience is true of nearly all substandard components manufactured, is that they wont be uniformly substandard, when production tolerances are poor, the result is a varying quality of product.
There will be some that are far weaker than others im sure.



There is certainly far more to it than you are capable of understanding as you clearly dont know anything about engines or the stresses on their components or what causes a part to fail, or why testing a part until it fails is useful.


The only thing I am interested in protecting is the truth.

Thats probably for the best given that you have said NOTHING that is actually useful at any point in this thread all you have done is come to the thread to throw mud at MAD which is this forum at its lowest.

Porkie

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I thought the same!

Chip

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I think between Jade Goody, and Nick D, Phil's two useful roles on the forum have been reasonably well catered for in this thread TBH

Franco

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Oh It soo needs Phillippa's touch!

MikeR

Nick l think it is pretty obvious what Chip is saying regarding a block failure, in fact l struggle to see how anybody could not see what he is saying,

I am not chips biggest fan as he is a sarcastic fucker at the best of times but l can not say l have ever thought he has lied about anything to appease a tuner he likes, he merely talks what he sees as the facts nothing more nothing less

Mike

Jade Goody

Chip

STFU!!

Chip

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Jade, you are losing your creativity, you didnt even put it in red like the old days.

Chip

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I really doubt he is stupid enough that he cant see it, I suspect its more a case of he is so spoilt and used to getting his own way that he simply WONT see it as doing so doesnt suit him




Correct (including the sarcastic bit, lol)

Lambchop

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Must say i had an LOL moment at that comment

What was the story though? Why did you post a pic on here Chip?

And i was wondering who the fuck Nick D was that was on a mission and how he knew so much when i'd never seen the name before...until i saw the sig

Chip

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I wanted to go to a trackday at snetterton, and needed to get away from work early, which isnt always easy to do at short notice, so I had a word the day before with the marketting director over at one of our clients and arranged a meeting with him at an office partway to snet, so that by the time I left there I could still get to Sent in time for the meeting.

Then when I got up next day and went to put my suit on, I realised I hadnt actaully brought one away with me that week, as I wasnt expecting any meetings that week and when im in my own office I just wear jeans and a t shirt.

So in a mad panic I had to rush to tesco (literally the only place en route I could get to in time) and equip myself with a suit that nearly fitted and some cheap leather shoes.

I was telling Helen about it, and she dared me to post a picture on here, so being game for a laugh and not minding the piss taken out of me, I did.

TBH it doesnt look much different to my proper suits, I might go back some time and see if I can buy another one that actually fits this time

It was only 60 quid all in, including the shoes!


Think he is the rich fellow who keeps buying stuff like grand prix tickets for porkie etc, he used to be "dunlop2002" or something like that IIRC.

Lambchop

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haha i remember now. Get the pic up

PeterD

Thank you for this thread Andy

And all the best of luck in the TA fella

Chip

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Not sure where it is TBH, im sure someone will hav saved it though, especially if they spotted an opportunity for a "Tesco value fat cunts" makeover on it in photoshop

Lambchop

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I BET smit has it...he stores fucking everything!

jacko

trust you lol cant beleve what this has turned into

as far as engines go the proof is in the puding as they say for all we know jg,s engine might not stand up to andys abuse but i hope it will

his last one from harvie was fine and still has nothing wrong with it

martinns escort other than the crank faliour was not down to him is still fine and rods old engine allso took loads of abuse so as long as people argue it will make peple retaliate in favour of who they use its just how it is

andrewg

i'll see how i get on with it and the flat change for now then think about paddle shift,,
bara phoned me back today and said it could be possible to fit rotary sensor with some mods,

jacko

is it running yet then

andrewg

engine bay all stripped out and away to paint shop for tidy up should be back for the weekend

jacko

nice one cant wait to see it at ta it was unrel to watch last year

only car iv ever seen that looked false on track cos it cornered like a scallextric car

Ollie.

Chip sorry but a few posts before this you were saying how the turkish block was to blame on Daves engine letting go and now you're comparing it to Rods which wasnt spoken about.

In this case Daves engine was at the power level spoken about which Lees ran at faultlessly.

Steven_RW

The only worthy posts on this topic were the ones showing Andy's new engine, a few well wishes for the time attack series, a couple of questions about the spec and power of the engine and the pics of cool rally cross cars, everything else was a total waste of time and effort. I only post this as I feel I am losing the will to deal with this place. I love the cars I just can't stand how the owners or fans turn into total nobs the second they are in front of a keyboard. It is a good idea that I don't moderate this place as I would have just handed out bans left right and centre.

Fine demonstration of being totally pathetic.

RW

Chip

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As per my posts in this thread, one of which you quoted but seemed to have not read, 500-600bhp doesnt seem to be a problem generally on the turkish block, its when you start going past this the issues seem to occur, Daves was actually nearer to 700 than 600, as it ran 660bhp IIRC, lees was within about half a dozen BHP of 600 by comparison, so about 54bhp or so less, the difference in torque was probably even more than that, and its the torque that is likely to be the real killer of course.

Another post you seem to have missed was the one where I said that these poorly manufactured blocks will vary and that some will take more than others by definition just due to the poor manufacturing tolerances.

And you also seem to have missed the one where I stated that IMHO adding liners that are needed for antilag potentially weakens the block, Dave was on liners and Lee wasnt.

Still, as per our friend Nick on this thread, dont let things like the actual facts stand in the way of you having an argument anyway mate.

saph4be

CHIP why not open your own tuning company as you quite clearly now more than any one else and then all the others could retire

Chip

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Im sure that all of the tuners on here, if they could be bothered, would be capable of giving you the same rational and accurate information that I have done.

The reason I dont open up a tuning company though is a simple one, I dont want to. I dont wish to invest the money that it would require just to be in an industry that is moving in a direction that I dont personally enjoy, my preference is the older cars, and as a tuner entering the already crowded market for those, it would mean having to deal with a lot of muppets I see posting on here on a professional level, and I dont envy anyone that.

Ollie.

Fair enough i didnt know Daves was over 600.


ps i wasnt having an argument

Chip

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no problem mate.

3i_gaz

why does chip feel the need to fight the corner for MAD engined cars and slate everybody else.

the post about a 600+BHP YB not doing 200mph at brunters being a failure made me grin. porkies 3 door as said time and time again took countless amounts of abuse round tracks up and down the uk, the car pound for pound performed better than YUM IMO the money ploughed into yum to hardly come out and be used, only a few times in anger for top speed runs.

compared to the amount porkie used the 3 door on god knows how many track days mixing it with all the big power cars quite happily.

Andy engine looks have never arsed me, function over looks everytime cant wait to see how it performs

Chip

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I've not fought MAD's corner at all.
Nor have I slagged off the reyland 3door which is my favourite car ever.
I merely used it as an example of how things evolve to the right spec as the limits of parts are found.

Go and read one of the threads I've posted on here about driving porkies car to see my opinion of the car.