what about this barn find!!!
15-04-2009, 11:34 AM
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Im of the opinion that a 600bhp car hitting less than 190mph at brunters IS a failure in many ways, its certainly not the result it should have been given the power.
It wasnt a component failure that was terminal in this instance, but then 600bhp from a YB is hardly development, thats just a basic bread and butter engine really for a GT35R YB.
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It wasnt a component failure that was terminal in this instance, but then 600bhp from a YB is hardly development, thats just a basic bread and butter engine really for a GT35R YB.
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I don't know of many Basic spec YB engines (eg standard rods and crank and modded standard exhaust manifold, NO nikasil liners, blah blah blah) that were RELIABLY running over 600bhp on pump fuel 7 years ago do you?
as for never doing a decent top speed. I can assure you that if it was in my interest to go fast in a straight line at Brunters it WOULD have been done.
We only attempted ONE proper run IIRC! I did one sighting run and went over 170mph and poo'd my pants a bit and car had high charge temps as well. Went back a few years later and it did over 180mph on first go. didnt try again.
Engine got death. TOTAL death everywhere. Yes it never broke any records and was LOW spec really but it never broke and it made me smile and it was very cheap in comparrison and built on time as well....
15-04-2009, 11:38 AM
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I wonder... do Mark Shead and Chip get " 2 4 1" deals at the dentist?
When Mark visits and opens wide... chip is so far up his ARSE that if he opens wide aswell.. two check overs done at once!
Sweet!
When Mark visits and opens wide... chip is so far up his ARSE that if he opens wide aswell.. two check overs done at once!
Sweet!
15-04-2009, 11:57 AM
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In my opinion a blue escos that has taken about 4 years to TRY and get to 200mph if a fucking failure. Engines blow then it takes forever to get put right as there busy making a mess of everything else.
Then comes along a new car, about the 3rd high speed day 200mph off GAS, piece of piss!
Then comes along a new car, about the 3rd high speed day 200mph off GAS, piece of piss!
Cant be mine only gave the 200mph a shot last year so not sure who you are talking about?
15-04-2009, 12:08 PM
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Good luck with TA Andy...
Been doing some work on paddle shift on the FFD, rotary potentiometer can be fitted to the box with some mod work, but i think the linear potentionmeter would be fine.....the shift even on air and only 7 bar pressure is amazing on the FFD.....
Been doing some work on paddle shift on the FFD, rotary potentiometer can be fitted to the box with some mod work, but i think the linear potentionmeter would be fine.....the shift even on air and only 7 bar pressure is amazing on the FFD.....
15-04-2009, 12:11 PM
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Dave I'm not going to argue with you over split hairs here (my names not chip 
), but the way I read it is you have been modifying your car with a top speed goal for the past 4 years. Trim or no trim!! Obviously 200mph has only been in your sights recently, but you have done top speed runs on old specs I'm sure.
Anyway what does it matter!
), but the way I read it is you have been modifying your car with a top speed goal for the past 4 years. Trim or no trim!! Obviously 200mph has only been in your sights recently, but you have done top speed runs on old specs I'm sure.Anyway what does it matter!
15-04-2009, 12:14 PM
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Dave I'm not going to argue with you over split hairs here (my names not chip ), but the way I read it is you have been modifying your car with a top speed goal for the past 4 years. Trim or no trim!! Obviously 200mph has only been in your sights recently, but you have done top speed runs on old specs I'm sure.
Anyway what does it matter!
), but the way I read it is you have been modifying your car with a top speed goal for the past 4 years. Trim or no trim!! Obviously 200mph has only been in your sights recently, but you have done top speed runs on old specs I'm sure.Anyway what does it matter!
It don't mater, just the truth would be good now and then
15-04-2009, 12:23 PM
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He had since asked Mark to build him an engine that Mark believe will do 200mph, and will be running that shortly.
Until he has done so, as far as im aware Mark hasnt been involved in any serious attempt at 200mph in an car other than Rod's which of course managed it many years ago.
15-04-2009, 12:27 PM
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Indeed, and it was one from which martin learnt to change intercooler after the one that was on there failed to maintain intake temps.
No, including yours, cause it was on SECS at the time (joke)
You seem to have taken my post to heart a little, your car failed at top speed for the same reason my tesco suit fails to impress some rich idiot, because neither were intended for that purpose.
Indeed, the spec (intercooler specifically) failed to maintain charge temps when used in that manner.
Agreed, awesome spec of engine that for someone on a relatively moderate budget, one of Martin's finest creations IMHO
It certainly never failed to impressed on track
I don't know of many Basic spec YB engines (eg standard rods and crank and modded standard exhaust manifold, NO nikasil liners, blah blah blah) that were RELIABLY running over 600bhp on pump fuel 7 years ago do you?
as for never doing a decent top speed. I can assure you that if it was in my interest to go fast in a straight line at Brunters it WOULD have been done.
We only attempted ONE proper run IIRC! I did one sighting run and went over 170mph and poo'd my pants a bit and car had high charge temps as well. Went back a few years later and it did over 180mph on first go. didnt try again.
Engine got death. TOTAL death everywhere. Yes it never broke any records and was LOW spec really but it never broke and it made me smile and it was very cheap in comparrison and built on time as well....
It certainly never failed to impressed on track
15-04-2009, 12:29 PM
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I'm sure a conversation took place like this
Person A - Can you please build me an engine that will do just short of 200mph please mate, maybe 195 would be good. Wouldnt want to take the escos title FIRST as I'd end up like a little hittler Rod style saying I have the fastest car.
Person B - Yeah no worries, were not a comptetative camp.
B0llocks.
Now listen to Tony and stfu!
Person A - Can you please build me an engine that will do just short of 200mph please mate, maybe 195 would be good. Wouldnt want to take the escos title FIRST as I'd end up like a little hittler Rod style saying I have the fastest car.
Person B - Yeah no worries, were not a comptetative camp.
B0llocks.
Now listen to Tony and stfu!
15-04-2009, 12:32 PM
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15-04-2009, 12:34 PM
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I'm sure a conversation took place like this
Person A - Can you please build me an engine that will do just short of 200mph please mate, maybe 195 would be good. Wouldnt want to take the escos title FIRST as I'd end up like a little hittler Rod style saying I have the fastest car.
Person B - Yeah no worries, were not a comptetative camp.
Person A - Can you please build me an engine that will do just short of 200mph please mate, maybe 195 would be good. Wouldnt want to take the escos title FIRST as I'd end up like a little hittler Rod style saying I have the fastest car.
Person B - Yeah no worries, were not a comptetative camp.
That conversation isnt what happened.
What happened was Dave asked for an engine capable of beating the current escort cosworth top speed record.
He was supplied one, unfortunately one of the component suppliers (a company called cosworth) supplied a substandard part (a block made in turkey) so when dave got to within les than 1mph of achieving his real aim for the day of 195mph that component failed.
B0llocks.
Now listen to Tony and stfu!
Now listen to Tony and stfu!
Unfortunately for you im not someone who takes any notice of people who think they are more important cause they have more money, or pandering to their childlike demands, as my way of judging people is based on their depth of character not their depth of pocket, and in this respect you appear to be one of the poorest men in this thread, so you really are wasting your time ordering me about.
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15-04-2009, 12:48 PM
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Chip I just love the way you have deemed Lee's car to be a failure Btw my V1 Escort managed 194.7mph on an RS500 intercooler with the associated temps, that was a failure too as I would have liked to have seen 200. You should pull your nose out, the air is much nicer. 
Btw my V1 Escort managed 194.7mph on an RS500 intercooler with the associated temps, that was a failure too as I would have liked to have seen 200. You should pull your nose out, the air is much nicer.
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15-04-2009, 12:53 PM
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You really do seem absolutely desperate to slag Mark off here for some reason?
The cosworth supplied block failed, so I think you are really going to struggle to get your silly little spoilt richkid way with this one if you want any conclusion other than it was a failure of a cosworth supplied component?
I really cant see you managing to convince anyone that a cosworth supplied block failure was in some way Marks "fault", which is what you have wasted the last couple of hours of your life trying to do very blatantly despite your little richkid tantrums protesting to the contrary.
The cosworth supplied block failed, so I think you are really going to struggle to get your silly little spoilt richkid way with this one if you want any conclusion other than it was a failure of a cosworth supplied component?
I really cant see you managing to convince anyone that a cosworth supplied block failure was in some way Marks "fault", which is what you have wasted the last couple of hours of your life trying to do very blatantly despite your little richkid tantrums protesting to the contrary.
15-04-2009, 12:58 PM
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I said that his car failed to achieve what the BHP implied it should have been capable of.
The reason it did so, was because it wasnt setup for that.
That doesnt make his car a failure though, in fact its still my favourite cosworth ever.
Btw my V1 Escort managed 194.7mph on an RS500 intercooler with the associated temps, that was a failure too as I would have liked to have seen 200. You should pull your nose out, the air is much nicer.
If this was a dicussion about your engine and someone was throwing innacurate insults and garbage about it around, I would be correcting them too, the only place my head is stuck, is in the truth.
15-04-2009, 01:05 PM
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Martin its a shame to see you lowering yourself to cheap insults, IMHO its better when you let your results do the talking, but TBH I think you have got so used to having a massive number of people with their head so far up YOUR arse on this forum, that you find it quite hard to accept someone knowledgable and objective just presenting facts without a reyland/anti-MAD spin on them for once, as its getting quite rare around here.
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15-04-2009, 01:06 PM
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The bit that failed wasnt built by MAD, it was cast by cosworth and machined by perfect bore, so I dont really see how there can be a 1 word answer to that question.
Or are you so stupid that because Mark happened to be the last person to touch the block, you somehow feel that it is his responsibility?
Or is it far simpler than that and you think if you get a YES to that question, that somehow you have got your own spoilt way somehow by asking a completely loaded and totally irrelevant question?
Or are you so stupid that because Mark happened to be the last person to touch the block, you somehow feel that it is his responsibility?
Or is it far simpler than that and you think if you get a YES to that question, that somehow you have got your own spoilt way somehow by asking a completely loaded and totally irrelevant question?
15-04-2009, 01:13 PM
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Seemingly not
I was using an example to show that something can involve failure, but still be a successfull day out.
In the case of Lee's car a day out testing at the airfield resulted in highlighting a potential failure to control intake temps which led to a successful piece of development culminating in the use of a different product which was better suited.
I thought this might be a simpler concept for people to understand who have no R&D experience than how testing a gasket and finding it not to work, IS a successful test of that component. And also a useful piece of R&D
A succesful test, is one that reveals a useful piece of information.
Somebody like Nick D, who is so used to having everything done for him on his cars no doubt, and hence who has never been involved in trial and error with regards to trying out several different options on an engine to decide which is the best I can understand why they might struggle to see my point, but someone in your position having had numerous trial and error type of experiences yourself I would have expected to "get it" really.
why you would bother mentioning it in that case, Lee's car was never going to be a top speed contender.. Ever.
In the case of Lee's car a day out testing at the airfield resulted in highlighting a potential failure to control intake temps which led to a successful piece of development culminating in the use of a different product which was better suited.
I thought this might be a simpler concept for people to understand who have no R&D experience than how testing a gasket and finding it not to work, IS a successful test of that component. And also a useful piece of R&D
A succesful test, is one that reveals a useful piece of information.
Somebody like Nick D, who is so used to having everything done for him on his cars no doubt, and hence who has never been involved in trial and error with regards to trying out several different options on an engine to decide which is the best I can understand why they might struggle to see my point, but someone in your position having had numerous trial and error type of experiences yourself I would have expected to "get it" really.