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Old 27-03-2009, 10:41 PM
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Sapphs get compared to m3's regular away, and in my experience bm's are NOT the be all and end all.
Old 27-03-2009, 10:42 PM
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certainly not pal, but a good step in the right direction

there are hundreds of cheap cars out there at the mo

never a better time to grab a bargain imo

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Old 27-03-2009, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BRIGSPORT
The sapph is the best of the lot to drive on the road, a lot more solid,
you are having a laugh....i hope...

the escort cosworth shell is the most rigid of all cosworths......as for sierras.3 door or saff dont know which is worse.....what was that credit card ad....your flexible friend
Old 27-03-2009, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BRIGSPORT
Sapphs get compared to m3's regular away, and in my experience bm's are NOT the be all and end all.
i agree i work for a motorsport company and ive had a m3 on loan and a m5 from a couple of lads in the workshop tbh they dont feel nothing special but they are good every day cars comfy fairly quick nice crusers a few toy's but fail to feel a specail car ! but maby im the wrong person to say so as i dont like bmw's , but i own 325 e36 purely for transport as it was cheap BUT this feels specail





truely awesome car
Old 27-03-2009, 11:02 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^that does look like its been driven through Halfords window and everything has stuck to it, its even in there colours

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Old 27-03-2009, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonstone Steve
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^that does look like its been driven through Halfords window and everything has stuck to it, its even in there colours

Steve

its got 4k suspension around it bigger brakes smg upgraded for fast shift and you have noticed the vynil covering the chap who owns it just uses it for the ring and track toy but its such a capable car
Old 27-03-2009, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by cozzfather
you should of been into rs's in the late 80's and all through the 90's before the internet ruined things, i used to get up early doors for the automart(now autotrader) and the motoring news (now motorsport news) and buy the cheep Rs's and parts. i could find anything for a old escort rs2000 or a 3dr or sapphire in the back of the motoring news,there used to be couple of pages of cars for sale and maybe 5 pages of breakers and salvage all to do with rallying old fords and the latest cosworth stuff.

nobody complained then about nice mk1's and mk2's getting split up,it happened and look at them today. same thing will happen again with cosworths i tell yer
exactly they will become sought after due to the fact a lot are being broken so less about,if you got a decent one look after it & you will be proud in years to come.

but lets face it owning a cossie aint a sensible decision its about having something different and enjoying it,how many of you out there dont do work on it yourself? not many i bet,if you didnt you`d wonder why you bought a 20yr old ford,i got my 3dr cos i wanted one since i was 16,& that was 23yrs ago,sure i`ve driven better cheap cars(& more expensive) but they dont do it for me.my wife hates it but that only makes it better.

how many times have you said that you have a cosworth after being asked what car you own and got more questions about it than the the guy that says he has an m3 (not saying they are bad tho)

too much emphasis on money on car ownership in my mind,tho hardly surprising in todays climate
Old 27-03-2009, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by svett knackers
i i own 325 e36 purely for transport as it was cheap BUT this M3CSL feels special

truely awesome car
It did have a new price-tag of somewhere around 60k though didn't it. I like them but I'd rather go for the CS as it has a manual box

I've had a few BMs ( no M-ones though I have driven a few ) and I have a 328i to keep the miles/salt off my Sapphire..................but if I had to sella car it would be the BMW that would go. Just doesn't bring a smile to my face like the Sapphire.....I guess it helps that mine doesn't break down like some of the ones on here seem to

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Old 27-03-2009, 11:19 PM
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My sapph will NEVER be broken for bits, i've spent a lot of time and money on it and can honestly say that i wouldn't want an M3, EVO etc over it, or even a 3dr or escos,
Old 27-03-2009, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike1
It did have a new price-tag of somewhere around 60k though didn't it. I like them but I'd rather go for the CS as it has a manual box
get the smg remapped it makes the car come alive and the csl above would cost around 35k to the same standard , now a true 500 bhp cossie built to right standard will owe the same money but if i was in that area i would go csl as it does what it says on the can and will do more then 20k without a rebuild and it will start every morning
Old 27-03-2009, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by svett knackers
i agree i work for a motorsport company and ive had a m3 on loan and a m5 from a couple of lads in the workshop tbh they dont feel nothing special but they are good every day cars comfy fairly quick nice crusers a few toy's but fail to feel a specail car ! but maby im the wrong person to say so as i dont like bmw's , but i own 325 e36 purely for transport as it was cheap BUT this feels specail





truely awesome car


Old 27-03-2009, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin Sharp
heres one i prepared earlier




R.I.P like the 60 odd i done last year
Old 27-03-2009, 11:28 PM
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my 3dr has never let me down starts on the button,drives ok,never failed an mot

yes the engine is in bits but only cos i want more power & and its done 96k so it was a choice of bang or no car for a while

after 10 years of ownership it still puts a smile on my face when i drive it...................soon
Old 27-03-2009, 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Thomps..
R.I.P like the 60 odd i done last year
LOL.... i didnt take pics of any of the others iv done

PS leave me feedback for the strutbrace i bought off you on ebay 2 weeks ago
Old 27-03-2009, 11:31 PM
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just wait another 10 years and everyone will be crying out for saff's

just like mk1 and 2 escorts
Old 27-03-2009, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by andy.mac
just wait another 10 years and everyone will be crying out for saff's
as long as saff owners keep telling themselfs that they have something to look forward to

it aint gonna happen....
Old 27-03-2009, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by svett knackers
the csl above would cost around 35k to the same standard , now a true 500 bhp cossie built to right standard will owe the same money but if i was in that area i would go csl as it does what it says on the can and will do more then 20k without a rebuild and it will start every morning
But the CSL has only got about 360bhp hasn't it?
A genuine 350bhp rwd Sapphire should be as quick in a straight line - the extra 20k for the BM buys you cornering finesse, a better standard chassis and a nicer exhaust note
Old 27-03-2009, 11:37 PM
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i hate sapphires with a passion,
Old 27-03-2009, 11:47 PM
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I think the reason these are up for breaking is that some one buys a saph for 2000 - 3000k. Then realises that its going to cost another 4000 ish to get it right with engine and body fixes. They realise they cant afford it and decide to break it. You can get Saph cossie ownership fairly cheapish but you will be probably buying a bucket of sh.ite and alot of folk cant afford to fix them hence they break them. Its a shame really as i see decent looking saphs up for breaking all the time ( probably better condition than my own) and i think that the owner just cant afford to get it fixed.
Anyway, goodnight from Dublin.
Old 27-03-2009, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin Sharp
as long as saff owners keep telling themselfs that they have something to look forward to

it aint gonna happen....
Sure wont because im going to break every last one
Old 27-03-2009, 11:56 PM
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you wont be getting this one back mark
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Originally Posted by declan morris
I think the reason these are up for breaking is that some one buys a saph for 2000 - 3000k. Then realises that its going to cost another 4000 ish to get it right with engine and body fixes. They realise they cant afford it and decide to break it. You can get Saph cossie ownership fairly cheapish but you will be probably buying a bucket of sh.ite and alot of folk cant afford to fix them hence they break them.
Spot on really - the owning demographic changes....

The people that can just afford to buy one, can't afford to run it properly. The people that can afford to run it properly mostly prefer a newer car so the actual number of well-maintained ones is small.
Happens to many old fast cars - e.g. look at an F/G reg E34 535i - cost a fair old bit more than the Sapphire, nice old bus when going well but people don't generally want to spend the money to keep it going so they get scrapped. Even the M5s don't fetch much from that era
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Originally Posted by james kiely
you wont be getting this one back mark
That Jim Green's old one? That was in lovely nick
Old 28-03-2009, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by james kiely
you wont be getting this one back mark
Post a pic of how it looks now.....
Old 28-03-2009, 12:08 AM
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sure is mike ,i bought it off thomps as he was breaking it the shell is like brand new
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Originally Posted by Thomps..
Sure wont because im going to break every last one
No you aint!!!!
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i cant mark its to dark
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Originally Posted by james kiely
sure is mike ,i bought it off thomps as he was breaking it the shell is like brand new
Why was he breaking it mate.
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Originally Posted by sapph1
No you aint!!!!
Old 28-03-2009, 12:14 AM
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because thats what he does best,he cant help himself dec,it was worth more in parts to mark,its just i bought most of them back off him[ps dont tell the wife]
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Originally Posted by declan morris
Why was he breaking it mate.
Is yours for sale????
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Originally Posted by james kiely
because thats what he does best,he cant help himself dec,it was worth more in parts to mark,its just i bought most of them back off him[ps dont tell the wife]
Good man i has a good xmas because of you..
Old 28-03-2009, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Thomps..
Is yours for sale????
DEFO NOT.
Old 28-03-2009, 12:22 AM
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here you go mark getting ready to get on the ship in stranraer
Old 28-03-2009, 12:31 AM
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heres my one making its way from Northern ireland down to Dublin.

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they seem to spend a lot of time on trailers declan, lol
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Originally Posted by james kiely
they seem to spend a lot of time on trailers declan, lol

Are you going to rebuild Jim's old car James?
Old 28-03-2009, 12:38 AM
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Stop James, i dont even own that trailer so i have to towe mine, nightmare, but thats all part and parcell of it and people dont realise this. It costs to keep these icons on the road.
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i sure am mike ,the car is to good not to mate,i bought the engine off thomps aswell just so she could keep its history on the original engine 58000 miles from new
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Originally Posted by james kiely
you wont be getting this one back mark
Had my life not unexpectedly turned to shit, i had biiiiiiiiiig plans for her James.....

But i`m really glad she ended up with you mate and not someone who would just bung a random motor in and run her into the ground


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