possibly the worst rs500
28-02-2009, 08:06 PM
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kind of what i was saying Kev..these days people think that a RS500 was God.back in the 90's..but fact was they were a hard to sell,hard to insure,overpriced FORD at the end of the day......so the car could have been bought buy any semi,or non enthusiast!!......and now its a collander with a whale tail....whooopeee!!...lol
28-02-2009, 08:14 PM
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About bang on there mate
But as said to be honest it would be cheaper , and a better job to re"shell it into a brand new shell
As for resale value , if the car was done to a high standard and with correct parts a MINT 500 will fetch 25 to 30 k ( as said tho , this would have to be a mint resto )
28-02-2009, 08:18 PM
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Thing is, back in the day it wasa just a top of the range ford. It was only special to people in the scene or into motorsport etc and understood the history etc.
Just hope he sees sense and takes it elsewhere for the work.
Just hope he sees sense and takes it elsewhere for the work.
28-02-2009, 08:31 PM
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You can find new shells for 2 / 3 k mate
and with regards reshelled cars , i would rather have a reshelled 500 than a welded floors etc car, and to be honest what is the difference between a car thats stripped to a bare shell and restored then rebuilt , to one that is stripped to a bare shell then rebuilt into a brand new shell ?
Both cars have been totaly stripped and rebuilt , just one into a welded restored shell the other into a brand new shell
Its a no brainer IMO ,
28-02-2009, 08:31 PM
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exactly...infact i'd find it hard to pay 25-30k for any RS500,unless it had mega low miles and owners and was totally original(and even then!!!!).....IMO of course,wouldn't want to offend some folk on here!!
28-02-2009, 08:35 PM
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You can find new shells for 2 / 3 k mate
and with regards reshelled cars , i would rather have a reshelled 500 than a welded floors etc car, and to be honest what is the difference between a car thats stripped to a bare shell and restored then rebuilt , to one that is stripped to a bare shell then rebuilt into a brand new shell ?
Both cars have been totaly stripped and rebuilt , just one into a welded restored shell the other into a brand new shell
Its a no brainer IMO ,
and with regards reshelled cars , i would rather have a reshelled 500 than a welded floors etc car, and to be honest what is the difference between a car thats stripped to a bare shell and restored then rebuilt , to one that is stripped to a bare shell then rebuilt into a brand new shell ?
Both cars have been totaly stripped and rebuilt , just one into a welded restored shell the other into a brand new shell
Its a no brainer IMO ,
spot on answer..new shell all the way!!!
28-02-2009, 08:36 PM
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You can find new shells for 2 / 3 k mate
and with regards reshelled cars , i would rather have a reshelled 500 than a welded floors etc car, and to be honest what is the difference between a car thats stripped to a bare shell and restored then rebuilt , to one that is stripped to a bare shell then rebuilt into a brand new shell ?
Both cars have been totaly stripped and rebuilt , just one into a welded restored shell the other into a brand new shell
Its a no brainer IMO ,
and with regards reshelled cars , i would rather have a reshelled 500 than a welded floors etc car, and to be honest what is the difference between a car thats stripped to a bare shell and restored then rebuilt , to one that is stripped to a bare shell then rebuilt into a brand new shell ?
Both cars have been totaly stripped and rebuilt , just one into a welded restored shell the other into a brand new shell
Its a no brainer IMO ,
28-02-2009, 08:39 PM
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If the car is HPI clear and the shell is a brand new ford shell then it has the same value
do any of the value guide books devalue HPI clear reshelled cars ?? NO
Plus , If the car has had the correct stampes used for the number and the car reshelled correctly how would most people know / tell its been reshelled
All this is vital to the quality of the work done , if done to a high / correct std there isnt a problem , but like anything else if the quality isnt there then the car will carry a lower value
all valuations are done based on many things
1, quality of any paintwork / repairs etc
2, amount of correct parts fitted
3, amount of origonal parts fitted
4, history
5, miles
6, owners
7, general overall condition
etc etc etc
all cars are valued on there own merrit
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28-02-2009, 08:39 PM
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i don't get it ?? theres loads of shit cosworths and mk2 escort rs's that have had all the work and more done to them like this thing needs. i have seen so many cocked rs cars when i have been looking to buy that that one looks ripe for bodging and selling to someone who wouldn't know a cocked cozzie from a original unrestored one.
28-02-2009, 08:46 PM
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Only probs is tho , there are many reshelled cars out there ( 500 and other RS cars ) and who knows 100% what cars are a reshell unless on the register as such ,ie , showing on HPI as a badly damaged car .
As said , if done correctly you shouldnt be able to tell its been reshelled
28-02-2009, 08:47 PM
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......but how many Mk2 rally cars and other such prestigige are rolling around in thier 2nd.third or fourth guise?...lol.......
28-02-2009, 08:53 PM
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If the car is HPI clear and the shell is a brand new ford shell then it has the same value
do any of the value guide books devalue HPI clear reshelled cars ?? NO
Plus , If the car has had the correct stampes used for the number and the car reshelled correctly how would most people know / tell its been reshelled
All this is vital to the quality of the work done , if done to a high / correct std there isnt a problem , but like anything else if the quality isnt there then the car will carry a lower value
all valuations are done based on many things
1, quality of any paintwork / repairs etc
2, amount of correct parts fitted
3, amount of origonal parts fitted
4, history
5, miles
6, owners
7, general overall condition
etc etc etc
all cars are valued on there own merrit
do any of the value guide books devalue HPI clear reshelled cars ?? NO
Plus , If the car has had the correct stampes used for the number and the car reshelled correctly how would most people know / tell its been reshelled
All this is vital to the quality of the work done , if done to a high / correct std there isnt a problem , but like anything else if the quality isnt there then the car will carry a lower value
all valuations are done based on many things
1, quality of any paintwork / repairs etc
2, amount of correct parts fitted
3, amount of origonal parts fitted
4, history
5, miles
6, owners
7, general overall condition
etc etc etc
all cars are valued on there own merrit
Seriously though,this reply kind of answers my earlier post with regards to value.....but at the end of the day,i'm sure ANY RS500 owner would like to own an original shelled car!
28-02-2009, 08:54 PM
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hey i'd rather pay Ł7894589890469804689046 for a quadroupled reshelled RS500 or a MK2 Escort than some crappy VW....they are the cars i've kind of owned and adored and respected since i was 4,when i used to get driven to school in a white left hand drive mk2 RS2000!...happy days!...i was just asking about "real" values on reshells?....is it at a time when PROPER reshells comand the same money as non reshelled RS500's.....in some ways the word "reshell" is as welcoming as an STD......but how many Mk2 rally cars and other such prestigige are rolling around in thier 2nd.third or fourth guise?...lol.......
......but how many Mk2 rally cars and other such prestigige are rolling around in thier 2nd.third or fourth guise?...lol.......I bet 20% of all mk1 and 2 escorts are still in there correct shell , but who cares they still do massive money as long as there solid
all cars go the same way and the older they get the more people dont realy worry about the past as long as the car has ALL the correct parts and the logbook is correct
theres a great old saying , what you dont know dont hurt you
and altho i would rather own a 500 thats gen and carries all its origonal parts that it left tickford with , in 20 years time will we be as fussy as owning a 500 will be a fantastic thing to have no matter what its history
Im not saying that people shouldnt care , just saying that less and less people will care as long as they have one
28-02-2009, 08:59 PM
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I do own a reshelled 500 as it happens , and also one that hasnt , and i honestly dont care either way as there both great cars
I would however tell anyone should i sell my white 500 that it has been reshelled early in its life .
The reshelled car is HPI clear and was reshelled by a big name in the cosworth game ( infact probs one of the top 3 names from the good old days of the race years of the 500 ) and the quality is superb that i would bet 99% of people looking wouldnt know and to be honest probs wouldnt care
but i would still let any buyer know and they then could decide based on how they feel Having said that it isnt for sale anyway
28-02-2009, 09:01 PM
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Perfect point mate
I bet 20% of all mk1 and 2 escorts are still in there correct shell , but who cares they still do massive money as long as there solid
all cars go the same way and the older they get the more people dont realy worry about the past as long as the car has ALL the correct parts and the logbook is correct
theres a great old saying , what you dont know dont hurt you
and altho i would rather own a 500 thats gen and carries all its origonal parts that it left tickford with , in 20 years time will we be as fussy as owning a 500 will be a fantastic thing to have no matter what its history
Im not saying that people shouldnt care , just saying that less and less people will care as long as they have one
I bet 20% of all mk1 and 2 escorts are still in there correct shell , but who cares they still do massive money as long as there solid
all cars go the same way and the older they get the more people dont realy worry about the past as long as the car has ALL the correct parts and the logbook is correct
theres a great old saying , what you dont know dont hurt you
and altho i would rather own a 500 thats gen and carries all its origonal parts that it left tickford with , in 20 years time will we be as fussy as owning a 500 will be a fantastic thing to have no matter what its history
Im not saying that people shouldnt care , just saying that less and less people will care as long as they have one
......like you said"what you don't know....."....LOL
28-02-2009, 09:06 PM
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It didnt have a 777 number plate did it?...this one did and the sevens had a the line crossed through the middle(international style!)....its funny what a 4 year old remembers,doesnt it?..lol
28-02-2009, 09:11 PM
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my car belonged to a english squaddie who had it robbed in the uk,it came with the german paperwork and it was a munich registered car m:dh 2792.
i re registerd the car and built it back up and put it on the road,my mum and dad had one and so did me and my mates,one who was a squaddie to with a left hooker rs2 also. anyway i'm spamming
i re registerd the car and built it back up and put it on the road,my mum and dad had one and so did me and my mates,one who was a squaddie to with a left hooker rs2 also. anyway i'm spamming
28-02-2009, 09:16 PM
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when you say new dealer shells can tranfer the vin etc are they still made by ford or is it new as in old but never registered and stored and unused for the last 20 years?
28-02-2009, 09:16 PM
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my car belonged to a english squaddie who had it robbed in the uk,it came with the german paperwork and it was a munich registered car m:dh 2792.
i re registerd the car and built it back up and put it on the road,my mum and dad had one and so did me and my mates,one who was a squaddie to with a left hooker rs2 also. anyway i'm spamming
i re registerd the car and built it back up and put it on the road,my mum and dad had one and so did me and my mates,one who was a squaddie to with a left hooker rs2 also. anyway i'm spamming
28-02-2009, 09:25 PM
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Ive seen mk1/mk2 escorts a lot more rotten than that!, theres no reason why it cant be restored properly and be a very good car,but im guessing if its at a local garage it wont get the resto it deserves,if taken to a specailists it would cost a lot more money to replace all rotten panels with genuine panels (not patched everyware)
Reshelling it would be the easier route, but this is always a controversial subject,and is rife in the old escort scene
Reshelling it would be the easier route, but this is always a controversial subject,and is rife in the old escort scene
28-02-2009, 09:31 PM
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bitd i used to see reshelled rs's that my ford dealership had done that had no numbers in the floor, that was how it was. the cars would be repaired and a new shell used and all parts transferred over to the new shell with any new parts needed to repair along the way.
it didn't bother me if i bought a rs or xr with no floor numbers but was 100% hpi clear with wodges of history,it just made the car interesting. also i knew the chances were the car could be in better condition too.
28-02-2009, 11:21 PM
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I still just cant see how a reshelled car can be worth the same as a non reshelled car even if its not on the list. Personally i cant see the problem but there is a certain stigma attached to a reshelled car that puts many poeple off and the fact that its going to be a "reshelled 500" and not just an "rs500" even if you cant notice or if the reshelled car is in fact better than a car that hasnt been shelled.
I hope that makes sense as i'm findng it hard to put down what i'm actually meaning.
I hope that makes sense as i'm findng it hard to put down what i'm actually meaning.
28-02-2009, 11:26 PM
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makes perfect sence
as in your like most sensible people
if your paying top dolar you want a proper thing if its a cheep one you would rather have a resheled car than a rotter
and cant see what the big deal is but wouldnt pay alot for a reshell cos its not worth the money if you came to sell it
as in your like most sensible people
if your paying top dolar you want a proper thing if its a cheep one you would rather have a resheled car than a rotter
and cant see what the big deal is but wouldnt pay alot for a reshell cos its not worth the money if you came to sell it