Psycho Warren

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Anyone know the genuine score here??? there seems to be a variety of opinions.

I dont think anyone can ignore that a RWD/4WD cossied focus etc is a "radically altered vehicle" (RAV), but how is it going to be registered under IVA???

From what i can make of the rules, the RAV cars without the necessary 8 points on original parts or a modified chassis/monococque will end up on a Q plate????

But what about vehicles built from new parts with no previous registration? would that be a low volume/ amatuer build and hence attain new reg if a recon engine is used and all other bits new????

Also would a cossie converted new shell be classed as amatuer build if assembled by car owner allowing the "donor" car scheme to be used to gain age related plates??? (in the same way a kit car manufacturer can often provide a complete shell and body and indeed all parts even parts designed for other cars yet still be called a kit?)

Bear in mind you need the reciepts to proove new build and also evidence of you building a car to qualify as "amatuer build" and not low volume production.

From the draft manual it seems it needs to be amatuer build car to retain the emissions exemptions based on engine age rather than first registration date.


And how do they propose to apply these rules to all the thousands of cars that need retro-respective IVA as they get picked up at MoT??? Will they become blanket Q platers??? or will they allow recategorisation into the correct category based on balance of evidence???

To me it seems theres going to be tons of Q plate cars eventually and Q plates will soon represent "highly modified" cars in the public eye rather than the devaluing status now as "cars of dubious origin".

Confusing really!!!

Anyone have any real answers of how this will work???

Psycho Warren

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Bear in mind this comes into force on 29th april 2009 for cars so it could cause a lot of problems quite soon for a lot of modified car owners.

focusv8

I believe so yes.

If kit cars manufacturers don't have to prove any structural soundness of their new bodies I can't see why an amateur build body would need anything other than I.V.A, but I don't know exactly what inspections the first of Kit car range has to go through.


I believe the original plan, 2 or 3 years ago when this was first announced was to train M.O.T testers to spot heavily modified vehicles and then have them put a notice of some sort on them that would then require a Vosa inspection to clear.


Very Correct.

it will all sort it self out when VOSA and DVLA decide exactly what they want to do.


See above

Psycho Warren

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Thanks

westus1

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problem is that the fine details of this system keeps changing
its the usual vosa/dvla big wigs keep realising that the plan is flawed
the big question is going to be what makes a car be classed as RAV?
and then when it has been notised the tester is to test as normal but report to the dvla/vosa,
the dvla/vosa will then contact the owner to arrange a vehicle inspection to clarify what id the vehicle will now have



there is obviously a lot more details to sort out but thats all i can make out from what i've heard so far

focusv8

That's already clearly defined,,,,

From Dvla;

The registration of radically altered vehicles covers vehicles which are substantially altered from their original specification, but which are not kit conversions.

,,,as mud.

westus1

iTrader: (6)

yeah i understand that but what makes it substantially altered?
obviously your puma is but what i mean is at what point does it go from mod'd to substantially altered?

either way it dont look good for you mate does it?

i'm intereted myself, i dont think it should effect me realy but my car has
heavily mod'd engine with over twice standard power
full weld in cage
differant suspension and brake set up to standard etc
but the floorpan axles etc are un altered so what classes it as substantially altered?

Psycho Warren

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Mine was built from all new bits specifically shell with just a recon engine so to be honest its better for me to register it as a Amatuer Built Vehicle (it was never RAV as there was never an original car to convert) because i can then get Emissions based on engine age rather than car, which suits me fine.

As long as i can prove the parts were new and it was built by an amatuer then i will get age related reg like i have now. In essence DJM supplied a prefabricated new custom body shell and tony (who owned it then) built it and hes not technically a professional (plus it was built with his money as his car, NOT as a company demo car.). Its almost as if he built it with the old SVA in mind but he cant remember how he got it registered

Im waiting for a DVLA printout on my car as the VIN number is not ford issued but DVLA issued, so i might be ok already. I might be able to get a newer age related plate as the plate is allocated on completion of the car, not age shell bought/built so id be able to get a backdated reg to late 2002/3 when the car was actually completed.

An interesting fact i did note is that the donor rules only require production of the donor V5 as only engines/chassis have unique numbers so in theory its very hard to prove you didnt use donor parts if you went that way. For example many kit cars use a donor such as a sierra or jag for suspension/drivetrain then have a big american V8 and they get the age related reg for amatuer built cars.

I can see many cossie converted cars using new shells from people like AG would get a age related plate if you strip a single cossie donor such as a saff.