james kiely

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looking for some help to decide what is the best route to go down .
briefly;i bought jgreens/staffis/budweis old saff g88 that was being broke by thomps.I bought the shell ,engine and rear beam with the hope of returning it to its former glory lol.
jim had fitted autronic which was pretty expensive and i was wondering is autronic far ahead of say a msd high specced l8 with coilpack .As ididnt get the loom with the car i have to get one made either way
what do you guys think is the way to go .
all input would be greatley appreciated.
cheers james

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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For a cossie either will produce the desired results.

Anyone who says any ecu will make more power than another, doesnt know what they are talking about !

Once its set up, could you tell which one is fitted ? I wouldnt be able to !

(Assuming its set up correctly )

james kiely

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simon thanks for the reply as to tell you the truth its above my head all this ecu terminology,so what your saying is a well setup l8 is comparable to autronic?

Shings

In my opinion you have lesser scope to get the car sorted with Autronic- looking at your location it might be better cost and logistically to go with the standard cossie L8

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Any ecu is only as good as the person who sets it up.

All the usual suspects like MAD, MSD NMS, Turbosystems etc... (Alphabetical order lol) will give you superb results.

Live mapping any ecu is the best way but the L8 has so many chips available for it off the shelf, its virtually plug and play !

Autronic is a fantastic bit of kit but will need much more thought for installation, mapping, buying it.
If you want to get into mapping yourself then this is the route to go given the choices you have stated as anyone can map Autronic as the mapping software comes with the ecu.
You will have to live map it though first !


I guess it comes down to who you want as your tuner.... Any of the above are hightly recomended

It all depends what you want in the end.. and of course how much money you want to spend. !

james kiely

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thanks again simon and shings ,
mapping it myself is definatley out of the question ,thats a job for the experts .
stu has mapped my 4b to 380bhp and drives superb.i just dont want to rush into a spec without looking at all the options as i want to rebuild the car to a spec that its condition deserves .simon i really like the look of the program your working on ,it will be awsome .
shings either way the car will have to be returned to england to be live mapped.
cheers james

Chip

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If you are paying someone else to map it, it doesnt really matter a great deal either way really.

Personally I would much sooner have the autronic though, better resolution and more configurable, but thats only really relevant if you intend to play with it yourself.

Chip

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Stu can map autronic by the way mate.

mechanic28

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what have u got with regards to wire loom etc

james kiely

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chip what can autronic do that l8 wont that would warrant the extra cost ,
i hope to go for 450-480 bhp yet the car wont be hammered ,would just like progressive powerband .
mechanic 28 ,i dont have any of the engine loom so was goin to go with the pectal style ,braided loom
cheers for the replys
james

Chip

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As an example, it will turn nitrous off if the engine goes lean base on realtime feedback from a wideband sensor.
Or basically anything else pretty much, its highly configurable, so it will do whatever you want it do within reason.

mechanic28

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imo just for pure ease and the wider choice of chips/tuners that can work on the product i would go for the L8 does more then enough for a road going cossie

Chip

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More tuners can map L8 than autronic?

Seriously mate, have you been smoking crack cocaine or something?

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Chip,

you are indeed a fully fledged maddette now

mechanic28

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did i mention live map man!no so there i said that there are alot more chips etc avaliable for a L8 and it is more then enough on a road going cossie!can run everything u need!plus i would say(and i could be wrong!)that more of the est cossie tuners can map the L8 then the autronic?

Chip

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Is there a single est cossie tuner who CANT map autronic?
Or anyone else good at mapping for that matter?

Hell, even I can

Where as L8 you are into the dark world of emulators etc.

Chip

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My cosworth engine runs L8 though mate

mechanic28

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well i am going back to the corner now!









but i would still choose the L8!if he has got o.e with the car etc

james kiely

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ive seen a couple of autronic systems going second hand for between 1000 to 1300 pounds including a loom,coil pack etc .i would imagine a l8 with coilpack and pectal style loom would be up around the 1000 mark,correct me if im wrong .ha s the autronic got the antilag,launch control etc built in as standard or is it all extra .
cheers james

james kiely

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mechanic 28 ,what spec is your level 8?

Chip

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Depends which autronic you are talking about, smc sm2 sm4 etc, as there are several different versions and several different chipsets for each of those versions.

Essentially though, yes its all standard on the autronic.


L8 is cheaper, especially as it can be "chip tuned" and setup at your level not need a proper map.

mechanic28

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i am still on the L6 which is standard for the 2wd sapp but if i still got her in feb time i will be going up to the L8

L8 can run closed loop,wasted spark,launch control/anti lag etc so its more then enough for the road

Chip

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Expensive when you add all those upgrades up though of course,as it doesnt do all of that standard

mechanic28

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well yer there is that!closed loop it does tho well the green top ecus do

james kiely

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chip sm4 is the one that jim had fitted by mad,so that would probably be the one id be interested in .
one of the problems we have in southern ireland is the lack of garages supplying super unleaded,we can get maxol which has the same properties as tesco 99 ,because of this i would like to have the car livemapped with that particular fuel in the tank especially running over450 bhp.
chip i take it autronic has knock sensing capabilities ?
thanks for the feedback.

james kiely

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mechanic 28
are you going to l8 to take advantage of closed loop

Chip

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You can use an external knock box input to the autronic to do knock control but TBH I wouldnt want to rely on ANY ecu to knock control the timing on a 450bhp 2.0 litre engine if I could avoid doing so.

Chip

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How many miles a year do you do?

As closed loop doesnt really make *that* much difference, a well mapped engine will not really be much worse than a closed loop one, couple of mpg at most realistically, thats a shitload of miles before it starts counting.

james kiely

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chip sorry mate youv lost me
is 450 bhp on 99 fuel asking for trouble ,the bottom end has standard mahle pistons would a rs 500 intercooler or a charge cooler[ or can you run both ] be the way forward,autronic can manage a chargecooler cant it.

james kiely

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chip wont even do two thousand a year i reckon[you havent seen the roads over hear]

MikeR

There is a dealer in ireland for Autronic that Marks deals with, they are very experienced with Evo's and big power ones so have no doubt that if Mark trusts them then they can map

Mike

Chip

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Well then I wouldnt really worry about closed loop, or even MPG!

james kiely

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thanks for the info mike,i wasnt aware of that.
cheers everyone

Chip

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No, its not asking for trouble on that fuel, im saying relying on a knock sensor on a tuned engine is asking for trouble.

Autronic or L8 can both work with a charge cooler, the ecu doesnt really care too much about how the air is cooled essentially.

mechanic28

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possible in the future yes and al/lc going over to the L8 as its a much better ecu then the l6 has more loading sites for the fueling side of things so can be mapped alot better then the L6

Chip

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According to Ahmed, the L6 fuels better than the L8 apparently.

Just to confuse things, lol

james kiely

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does l6 work with unleaded fuel,i didnt think it did chip?

MikeR

Call Mark in the morning and ask him who he uses in Ireland they are a dealer for him so he will give you their details no doubt, also he has intimate knowledge of the engine/car so that would help,

Mike

Mrs Jtechsaff

any L8s do closed loop pal, the ecus are the same between red top and green top L8s

mechanic28

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thought it did but was not sure!but is now confirmed