autronic versus level 8
09-12-2008, 09:28 PM
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Its quite surprising how many decent ecu's originate from australia !!
Jay,
L8's only blow up if provoked externally , Stop using them to hack your cable TV
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I will have your dead ones mate... pretty please
Jay,
L8's only blow up if provoked externally , Stop using them to hack your cable TV
...LOLI will have your dead ones mate... pretty please
09-12-2008, 09:33 PM
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Where abouts are you in Ireland?
09-12-2008, 09:34 PM
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Agreed but these look pretty good too
http://www.vi-pec.com/
Does anyone know of anyone who has tried it yet ?
09-12-2008, 09:38 PM
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Agreed but these look pretty good too
http://www.vi-pec.com/
Does anyone know of anyone who has tried it yet ?
http://www.vi-pec.com/
Does anyone know of anyone who has tried it yet ?
09-12-2008, 09:45 PM
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Hmm you are pretty far away from any mappers i would recommend, they would be Coleraine area!
What i've discovered over here is you are best talking to rally men, they can usually point you in the direction of a good local mapper/builder
09-12-2008, 09:48 PM
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LOL, I dont know what they are technically or know how good they are but I suspect your distributor comment may be true.
Intrestingly, they dont have a UK distributor...YET .... Mmm
(no its not me)
09-12-2008, 10:06 PM
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He mapped Nialls 3 door on Autronic, he supplied DTA that we have fitted to Marks sapphire and will be mapping that sometime soon(we will hopefully have the car ready to go up to him next week) I'm possibly going for Pectel T6 on my sapphire which he is happy to map. He's experience on loads of other ECUs that i can't remember as he works mainly on rally cars. He does mapping work for the Mountune and Millington engines running over here and as far as i know he is recommended by them, so thats an idea of what he knows...
But just to throw a wild card into the mix, Marks sapphire was previously on an L8 with a lot of Stus (Motorsport Developments) goodies in it - Closed loop, Anti lag, Launch Control and Wasted spark. You could pretty much DIY all that into an L8 in a day, then its just a case of setting the boost and having the fuelling checked. Think Stu can do off the shelf chips for even quite wild engine specs? Then if you want you can drop the car to blackpool for a week and have it mapped to perfection.
Only reason i prefer aftermarket is you have support availible on this island, no need for ferries if you have a wee problom or need something tweeked.
10-12-2008, 12:21 AM
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IT's interesting how things are different from different perspectives. For some people Autronic will be very advanced ECU and very expensive one, for some others it will be cheap entry-level ECU, depends on who you ask. As someone said it's really more about choosing mapper first and the ECU later.
Only problem with Autronic I had as a user is that on several cars and in several different situations the car wouldn't start for a period of time - like there was no power to the ECU. I don't know if it's some typical fault but I had this on SM4's and SM4 based p'n'p boards. Happened either when there was a lot of moisture in the air or very cold (-10 and below). Keeping the ignition on for several minutes would make the ECU start at some point. We very nearly lost a race in the wet that way (quick WRC - style ECU change saved the day but only barely). That is why we only reccomend Motec or Pectel to motorsport customers nowadays, but even our showcar runs SM4 still.
Only problem with Autronic I had as a user is that on several cars and in several different situations the car wouldn't start for a period of time - like there was no power to the ECU. I don't know if it's some typical fault but I had this on SM4's and SM4 based p'n'p boards. Happened either when there was a lot of moisture in the air or very cold (-10 and below). Keeping the ignition on for several minutes would make the ECU start at some point. We very nearly lost a race in the wet that way (quick WRC - style ECU change saved the day but only barely). That is why we only reccomend Motec or Pectel to motorsport customers nowadays, but even our showcar runs SM4 still.
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10-12-2008, 05:53 AM
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As much as I respect Stu, Karl, Mark, etc...... I'm just thinking of the costs involved in travelling from Ireland to England, petro, time off work, maybe even hotel costs. Not sure what all of this could add up too, but lets face it, it's got to be a few hundred quid.
Against getting an autronic and going to Marks recommended tuner (Who has access to Marks maps) back home in Ireland.
Personal Opinion : A well mapped L8 is very good.
A well mapped Autronic is better.
BUT : I doubt you'd notice the difference between either during general/spirited driving. Autronic just has more paremeters that it's capable of having mapped into it.
As for the costs involved in having a loom made up............... Once you know what you need, give "Dingy" a shout, and say Jim Green sent you........ LOL. (No...... seriously, he know's what he's doing and does a good job).
Against getting an autronic and going to Marks recommended tuner (Who has access to Marks maps) back home in Ireland.
Personal Opinion : A well mapped L8 is very good.
A well mapped Autronic is better.
BUT : I doubt you'd notice the difference between either during general/spirited driving. Autronic just has more paremeters that it's capable of having mapped into it.
As for the costs involved in having a loom made up............... Once you know what you need, give "Dingy" a shout, and say Jim Green sent you........ LOL. (No...... seriously, he know's what he's doing and does a good job).
10-12-2008, 07:23 AM
#139
As much as I respect Stu, Karl, Mark, etc...... I'm just thinking of the costs involved in travelling from Ireland to England, petro, time off work, maybe even hotel costs. Not sure what all of this could add up too, but lets face it, it's got to be a few hundred quid.
Against getting an autronic and going to Marks recommended tuner (Who has access to Marks maps) back home in Ireland.
Personal Opinion : A well mapped L8 is very good.
A well mapped Autronic is better.
BUT : I doubt you'd notice the difference between either during general/spirited driving. Autronic just has more paremeters that it's capable of having mapped into it.
As for the costs involved in having a loom made up............... Once you know what you need, give "Dingy" a shout, and say Jim Green sent you........ LOL. (No...... seriously, he know's what he's doing and does a good job).
Against getting an autronic and going to Marks recommended tuner (Who has access to Marks maps) back home in Ireland.
Personal Opinion : A well mapped L8 is very good.
A well mapped Autronic is better.
BUT : I doubt you'd notice the difference between either during general/spirited driving. Autronic just has more paremeters that it's capable of having mapped into it.
As for the costs involved in having a loom made up............... Once you know what you need, give "Dingy" a shout, and say Jim Green sent you........ LOL. (No...... seriously, he know's what he's doing and does a good job).
10-12-2008, 07:26 AM
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Mark is obviously a bit of a legend with autronic, but with people like steven gault already in ireland, it seems a bit pointless, at the end of the day, the map is going to be correct either way IMHO, 3 degrees from det is still 3 degrees from det whoever types the number in, lol.
Dont get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for Mark, but he's not the only person who can map an engine well so flying him to Ireland to do it seems a bit OTT , especially on a basic 450bhp motor that even the likes of me or you could map to an acceptable standard.
Dont get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for Mark, but he's not the only person who can map an engine well so flying him to Ireland to do it seems a bit OTT , especially on a basic 450bhp motor that even the likes of me or you could map to an acceptable standard.
10-12-2008, 08:06 AM
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10-12-2008, 08:13 AM
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They dont yet have an official importer as far as im aware in the UK.
Their website supports this fact by the absence of a UK contact:
http://www.vi-pec.com/index.html
That's somewhat off at a tangent for this thread though, given than NO interest has been expressed by the thread starter in anything other than L8 and Autronic and he seems keen to stick with these well established options
Their website supports this fact by the absence of a UK contact:
http://www.vi-pec.com/index.html
That's somewhat off at a tangent for this thread though, given than NO interest has been expressed by the thread starter in anything other than L8 and Autronic and he seems keen to stick with these well established options
10-12-2008, 08:17 AM
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Sound like nice ECUs if the software is easy to use.
Does anyone know how they fit in the market price wise?
If the V44 was in the £600-700 bracket it would be very competative.
Does anyone know how they fit in the market price wise?
If the V44 was in the £600-700 bracket it would be very competative.
10-12-2008, 08:23 AM
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The V88 I like the look of simply cause it has such a huge number of addtional inputs and outputs, which is the only thing I would like to change about my SM4, a couple of extra inputs would be nice for someone like me who likes playing with stuff
10-12-2008, 09:27 AM
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Mark is obviously a bit of a legend with autronic, but with people like steven gault already in ireland, it seems a bit pointless, at the end of the day, the map is going to be correct either way IMHO, 3 degrees from det is still 3 degrees from det whoever types the number in, lol.
Dont get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for Mark, but he's not the only person who can map an engine well so flying him to Ireland to do it seems a bit OTT , especially on a basic 450bhp motor that even the likes of me or you could map to an acceptable standard.
Dont get me wrong, I have a huge amount of respect for Mark, but he's not the only person who can map an engine well so flying him to Ireland to do it seems a bit OTT , especially on a basic 450bhp motor that even the likes of me or you could map to an acceptable standard.
We need a chunnel
that would make things easy
10-12-2008, 09:37 AM
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Talk to the guy who mentioned steven gault above, about getting in contact with him, he is a very talented guy and lives your side of the water.
Or contact him direct:
http://www.sgperformance.co.uk/
07752753460
Or contact him direct:
http://www.sgperformance.co.uk/
07752753460
Last edited by Chip; 10-12-2008 at 09:39 AM.
10-12-2008, 08:10 PM
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evening all
once again thanks to everyone for their input,it means a lot to get good impartial advice.
paul this is the current engine spec;
205 block,bored+0.50
4x4 mahle pistons with valve cut outs for cams machined to give7.5:1 c/ratio
polished crank with all new cosworth bearings
new oil pump
cylinder head modified by karl norris to stage 2[500bhp]isky double springs
new billet camshafts to karls spec.
inlet originally eec1v[being replaced with swedish off neils escoss]
t38
freshly built 7k ago
once again thanks to everyone for their input,it means a lot to get good impartial advice.
paul this is the current engine spec;
205 block,bored+0.50
4x4 mahle pistons with valve cut outs for cams machined to give7.5:1 c/ratio
polished crank with all new cosworth bearings
new oil pump
cylinder head modified by karl norris to stage 2[500bhp]isky double springs
new billet camshafts to karls spec.
inlet originally eec1v[being replaced with swedish off neils escoss]
t38
freshly built 7k ago
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