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Old 14-09-2008, 06:44 PM
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Default Motorbike engined mk3/4 escorts. Has anyone ever built one?

Iv been thinking about this for a while and wondered if anyone had actually ever done it? I am seriously considering something like this for my next project.
As stupid as it might seem i would fancy doing a twin engined front wheel drive version

My thought was you could mount two yamaha R1 engines in the front relativly easy by building a frame inside the engine bay and utilising the original engine mounts to bolt the frame to.
you could then mount the engines, chains, sprockets and diff inside this frame to marry up with the original driveshaft positions and then have some custom driveshafts made to fitt the new diff and original hubs.
My idea would be to keep as much of the orginal equiptment as possible to try and keep things as simple as possible.
There is obviously alot more to it than that but you get the idea.
Good idea or bad?
Old 14-09-2008, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbo-Beal
Iv been thinking about this for a while and wondered if anyone had actually ever done it? I am seriously considering something like this for my next project.
As stupid as it might seem i would fancy doing a twin engined front wheel drive version

My thought was you could mount two yamaha R1 engines in the front relativly easy by building a frame inside the engine bay and utilising the original engine mounts to bolt the frame to.
you could then mount the engines, chains, sprockets and diff inside this frame to marry up with the original driveshaft positions and then have some custom driveshafts made to fitt the new diff and original hubs.
My idea would be to keep as much of the orginal equiptment as possible to try and keep things as simple as possible.
There is obviously alot more to it than that but you get the idea.
Good idea or bad?
Bad, would be a mounting knightmare not to mention the gearchange etc.

Would have no torque, weigh too much and be slow.

IMO of course.
Old 14-09-2008, 08:19 PM
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Do what the Class 7 Autograss people do, Put 2 in the back. Or spend your money on a decent Zetec turbo engine.
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very low torque, bike engines aren't all they're cracked up to be, i know a lot of peoplw with kit car type locosts etc that race them and are going back to car engines again, as the torque is just to low for the weight of them at only 500kg, so the added weight of an escort would prob be more hassle than it be worth, on the other hand it would be quite cool to see and as long as you can keep the engines balanced perfectly and screaming it would go well, just my opinion mate
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Well its good to get some feedback as its just an idea i had thought of.
I would like to do somthing a little diffrent fom the norm on my next future project.
What about a ferrari powered escort? That would blow a few minds i recon!
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i'd like to see it mate tbh
just dont want to see you spend a fortune and regret it but its good to have something differant from everybody else
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I know what you are saying. I suppose thats why the magority of people tend to stick with what they know will work.
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Why not put 2 in the front AND 2 in the back
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problem with bike engines is theyre not very powerful, youre relying on low weight to pull you along. not sucha big deal ina light kit car, but in a full sized car they'l; struggle to pull it along

i seen a hyabusa engine'd kit car and it wasnt very quick at all seen an R1 engine's mk1 escort and that was proper slow!
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
problem with bike engines is theyre not very powerful, youre relying on low weight to pull you along.
I think that's a broad statement Jim, I mean I don't see many 1300 car engines making nigh on 200bhp NA. They are very powerful but people forget they are still small capacity.

Personally I think the idea has potential, I mean with 2 R1 engines(even early ones have 150bhp) there will be plenty of power there, and also the sequential dog boxes they have a standard would be great in a car. Then there is the possibility of turboing, can you imagine 2 150bhp engines feeding a GT30-35, and revving out to 12000rpm...... In fact take one Hayabusa engine and a turbo and you can make 450bhp...... I am sure that would go as well as a 400bhp Cossie engine with it's more torque.

I have mulled soooooo many ideas over throughout the years, unfortunately money is always the deciding factor.
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Here is a little project i'm working on at the moment with sis in laws boyfriend.

Considering that the original car weighed 826kg and was happy enough with a 50 bhp 1256cc engine i'm sure it will go well enough with 600kg and the new engine.

R1 turbo engine making 230-250 bhp, 130 ft/lb torque. Has the added bonus of a six speed sequential box.

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=131775
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barry, yes there great performing for hat they are, but they still dont make masses of power. a 130bhp engine is a 130bhp engine nomatter what way you look at it dont get me wrong i think theyre cool as fuck, theyre just not fast unless theyre light
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Originally Posted by Garage19
Here is a little project i'm working on at the moment with sis in laws boyfriend.

Considering that the original car weighed 826kg and was happy enough with a 50 bhp 1256cc engine i'm sure it will go well enough with 600kg and the new engine.

R1 turbo engine making 230-250 bhp, 130 ft/lb torque. Has the added bonus of a six speed sequential box.

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=131775
Cool as fuck!!!
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Thanks.

Can i come and live in new zealand with you?

Are you an ex pat?
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I am Scottish yes, been out here for 2.5 years now and Sydney for a year before that. I would move back to OZ in a minute and will be back there as soon as I can.

New Zealand is better than UK in my opinion overall but it's not ALL better, bit of a backwards place in many respects.......

I advise everyone I speak to about moving to come see it first, and make sure they see Oz too. Kiwis are leaving to Aussie at a rate greater than the population is increasing here, there is a reason. Only real downside to Aussie is house pricing, but that depends where you want to live too......
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Spent a fornight driving round the north island in febuary.

Liked lake taupo alot and tauronga (sp?).

Totally loved the whole place really.
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Originally Posted by Garage19
Here is a little project i'm working on at the moment with sis in laws boyfriend.

Considering that the original car weighed 826kg and was happy enough with a 50 bhp 1256cc engine i'm sure it will go well enough with 600kg and the new engine.

R1 turbo engine making 230-250 bhp, 130 ft/lb torque. Has the added bonus of a six speed sequential box.

http://www.turbosport.co.uk/showthread.php?t=131775

nice project!
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