Turbocabbie

Interesting video here comparing Schumi and Senna on a lap of Suzuka.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrpYIq0NbFM

Senna's car just look so much more of handful to drive and the speed Senna changes gear is incredible, you barely see his hand move from the steering wheel for the manual gear change.

dojj

iTrader: (3)

can't see the vid but i will say this

for his time, senna was the dogs, and, for his time, schumaker was the dogs

technology changed so much it's silly to compare the 2 as if we were going to do a motorsport version of rocky 6

Turbocabbie

Don't be silly that's like saying you can not compare Pele to Ronaldo because during that time boots have got better, the direct comparison's are viable simple because they are in the same discipline and clearly shows what demands were place on the competitor at that time and allows you to ask the question, how would they have performed in each others environments.

Anyway you can not compare the two drivers directly simply because, Schumi never had a team mate of the quality of Prost to compete against and as such major questions remain unanswered.

You should watch the vid though, its really interesting with regards to how the ride quality of the cars have changed.

dojj

iTrader: (3)

you can't compare pele to ronaldo because of the advancements in training, tactics, nutrition, all sorts of thngs that wern't about 40 years ago

it's like these people who are comparing sterling moss to the guys from today
how do you know that sterling would have been able to compete at the levels they compate at today with the higher g forces?
that the team will work with them as well?
their own technical abilities will be enought o provide the team with the data they need?
etc, etc?

in the same way that you can't get a power figure from one set of rollers and compare it to another cars from a different set on a different day, unles you have a direct comparison you can't compare like for like

what you can compare is how fast they were going through the corners, how technology has improved the gear shifts and traction, terminal speeds, top speeds, lap times, g forces and every other variable, but you can't put senna in the same car as shumacker or vice versa to see how they would have compared and more than you could have a favorite pair of shoes when you were at school and try and find the same pair later on in life

that's what i'm saying

Turbocabbie

That's what the video you can't see clearly shows

BTW you could not put any decent driver in the same car as Schumi, let alone Senna it was not allowed

Nash_mr2

Whats Aryton Senna's favourite food?












Wall Bangers!

Chris69

its suprising how much the ride of the cars has changed, sennas car moves about so much more and the challenge with that manual box looks alot greater- gotta say senn drving looks alot more skilful if maybe not as polished
but to both

dick

KSA-Cossie

iTrader: (4)

Both brilliant drivers but the amount of times senna put a dog of a car on pole or won the race was amazing,so imo senna shades it.


Again....................COCK.

Turbocabbie

I just thought it was interesting to see how the ride of the cars have changed to much, it certainly looks a lot more physical and unforgiving in Senna's car.
Considering one car had better mechanical grip over the other with its big fat slicks, while the other had better aerodynamic grip I found the lines used did not appear to have changed as much as perhaps I thought they would have

xr2i-carl

Both very talented. I feel it came easier to schuey. Senna's career although he was very dominant, seemed to ''need'' to put more effort in to succeed.

Turbocabbie

It would appear so but in reality Schumi never faced a formidable world champion team mate such as Alan Prost as such this question regarding him remains unanswered

dojj

iTrader: (3)

i think it had soemthing to do with the more agricultural requierments demanded by the machinery of the day

if you were to dispose of the paddles in f1 and get everyone changing gears manually it wouldn't half slow them down

bernie, if you are listening, try it out in a few weeks tiem

Karl 3dr

iTrader: (9)

Schumachers car does look a lot smooter than Senna's but i'd expect that really seeing as there's 10 years developement between the 2, both awsome drivers, only real way to compare the 2 would be in the same car surely?

Are both vids in real time though or is the Schumacher's footage slowed down a bit? They both enter corners at the exact same time, i would have thought Schumacher's lap would have been faster, could be wrong though?

RSCossieGaz

iTrader: (6)

tittle of this clip says it all !!!!

senna is a legend! the yellow helmet,red and white livery is proberly the most iconic colour scheme ever in F1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCr8...eature=related

RSCossieGaz

iTrader: (6)

another great clip senna at his best on the streets he ruled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkv6...eature=related

Chip

iTrader: (3)

LMAO @ trying to make comparisons.

Both great drivers, as is hamilton going to be, you'll never be able to get a meaningfull answer to who was best though due to the changes in the cars.

orion_crazy_carl

iTrader: (3)

if chewbacker is such a great driver,why did he need to cheat,TWICE to win the world championship?senna did aswell i think dint he,with prost??

kitchy

fuck it id cheat 20 times to take a championship, you have to do what it takes to win

orion_crazy_carl

iTrader: (3)

so u think tht all drug takers in sport should be allowed to do it with people who dont??

kitchy

nah not with drugs mate, but if i had to nudge sum 1 out of my way to win a race id do it

orion_crazy_carl

iTrader: (3)

yeah but its like running past someone and punching thm as u go,lol,

Rich_w

Schumacher just copied what Senna had done before.

I always thought MS was better than Senna. Sennas driving style was too binary (just watch the way he jabs the throttle a lot) and he used to live off his (amazing) reflexes.

Michaels style was much more fluid and about minimising his steering input. (he actually turns the car slightly on the brakes so he applies less lock and can nail it earler)

I also gather MS was better at building the team around him and making them WANT to help him. He knew all the guys names and wives and so on. Thats why Ferrari (And Benetton before) were happy to make him Number 1 driver and to hell with the teammates title aspirations.