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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by markk
i know its been 5 years since i left Datsun but, maybe my mind for the finer details is failing me tonight ?
Just a bit mate I think ill ignore the comment about the hubs then too after that semi trailing arms comment

All S13s ran shithot multilink suspension (as per the pics me and radders/chip posted) since about 1989. As did 300ZX and Skylines, all run setups very similar to each other.

Last thing with semi trailing arms was the shitbox S12s from the mid 80s.

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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:24 AM
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A bit like this superb drawing lol, would be made out of the appropriate tubing bent to shape. The tie bars would come off the horizontal underneath the diff.

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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:25 AM
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Kev thats a top idea, and I see where your coming from

Trouble is i'm doing a Mk3 fiesta and *possibly* a fiat bravo so i need to make all the pickups and the diff mount.

On a cossie though top idea!!
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bbspolo
new wrc type hubs! doesnt list a price though!
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3Doff%26sa%3DN

these are replica hubs, albeit made for rallycross, and are £825 each bare, no bearings no caps no flanges.
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kjc300
I was going to do something like this, but I have too much other stuff on at the moment so I'll throw this out there......


My take on it is that if you source a suitable hub, all you need is a frame under the diff to bolt the tie bars onto.


SO, why not use the existing mounting points on the standard beam?? Box in the diff with a frame using the diff mount and the inner trailing arm pick ups.

You can then use the outer pick ups for the front/rear control tie bars - simple. No need for mad space frames bolted all under the car.

Get what I mean???
i did that on a mk1 escort 8 years ago, but i sold it and the next owner cut it all off as it had not been set up and did not drive very well. it was all on rose joints, so would have adjusted up
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:08 PM
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Ian or markk do you have any pictures of the wider rear arcs of the escort wrc,
were it´s cut etc.
best reg joakim
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by costech
Ian or markk do you have any pictures of the wider rear arcs of the escort wrc,
were it´s cut etc.
best reg joakim
Dunno if this is any help - Ians WRC build thread

https://passionford.com/forum/restorations-rebuilds-and-projects/89176-wrc-escort-build.html

If not there are a few more WRC cars in there, the reyland escort to name one.

HTH's
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveH
Dunno if this is any help - Ians WRC build thread

https://passionford.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89176

If not there are a few more WRC cars in there, the reyland escort to name one.

HTH's
Martins doesn't have a WRC setup!
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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It has WRC arches though
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:49 PM
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yep martins runs a version of the grpa square beam that was built for touring cars not a wrc rear end!

it does have wrc arches though!
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by costech
Ian or markk do you have any pictures of the wider rear arcs of the escort wrc,
were it´s cut etc.
best reg joakim
Think thats what he meant.

Cant be arsed going through the million page thread, u got any pics to hand?
Not seen the rear on his
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by costech
Ian or markk do you have any pictures of the wider rear arcs of the escort wrc,
were it´s cut etc.
best reg joakim
do you mean the wider rear arches ?

Originally Posted by SteveH
It has WRC arches though

I dont think martin has the wider rears though ?
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by markk
do you mean the wider rear arches ?




I dont think martin has the wider rears though ?
I think your right actually....
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by markk
do you mean the wider rear arches ?


Yes the 20mm wider rear on the tarmac spec shells,
/joakim




I dont think martin has the wider rears though ?
I don´t think he has the wrc rear arcs only the front.

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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 10:14 PM
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Hi Joakim..

The extra width on the rear is acheived in a rather simple way....the seam on the inner arch is split, the outer arch is pulled wider then the gap it leaves is filled with a fillet plate, I will get you some pics tomorrow....

The track is noticibly different when you sit a WR car next to a standard esc cos...

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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ian sibbert
Hi Joakim..

The extra width on the rear is acheived in a rather simple way....the seam on the inner arch is split, the outer arch is pulled wider then the gap it leaves is filled with a fillet plate, I will get you some pics tomorrow....

The track is noticibly different when you sit a WR car next to a standard esc cos...


Thanks looking forward for the pics, I have an WRC escort in gravel spec without
wider arcs that i´m rebuilding to tarmac spec.
So i need to do this mod to get everything right as i should be.
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 10:31 PM
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And then theres super wide ...

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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
And then theres super wide ...





Tony,

You're just spoilt having that in the workshop....

I love the look of that car.....
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
And then theres super wide ...






Recce car ian ?
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Old Aug 27, 2008 | 11:19 PM
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Tony, How them arches modded? New panel? looks lovely
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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Charlie Chalk
Tony, How them arches modded? New panel? looks lovely

Hey Radders,
Its originally done by spooners , its like Ian describes really - an extra fillet but the outer panels are unique and hand made , its about 4" wider than a regular shell and allows the 305/645x 18" tyres under with acres to spare . the shells for sale afer the rolling gear goes soon too .
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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 08:09 AM
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They should have done the road car that width, just for the looks alone, stunning!
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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Tony Ryan
Hey Radders,
Its originally done by spooners , its like Ian describes really - an extra fillet but the outer panels are unique and hand made , its about 4" wider than a regular shell and allows the 305/645x 18" tyres under with acres to spare . the shells for sale afer the rolling gear goes soon too .
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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 09:11 AM
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Pics of the piece that's welded into the inner arch, as I said earlier, they are split and the outer arch jacked wider, I have seen some that have distorted during this process.....
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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 09:45 AM
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I was sat behind an old shape freelander the other day, and whilst it was only a quick glimpse, the rear end with cradle looked like it would adapt well to something like a p100 or project car and looked like it could be made quite adjustable

Maybe something to take a look at, I know the cars themselves are not the best but it could be a cheaper option for someone
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Old Aug 28, 2008 | 02:10 PM
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can everyone stop posting these amazing cars!!!
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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Ian
Stunning pic of your car it so shiny it´s hard to se were the
new metal stripe is welded in
It would be very nice of you if you could take a pic from the inside
of wheel arc so i can see the metal work from
the under side.
best reg jj
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Old Aug 30, 2008 | 10:25 PM
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Hello, i aint read this all so i maybe saying some thing that already been said but as far as the wrc rear hubs go you can use the rear hubs off a chevron single seater car as i have been looking at doing this mod to my motor they are cast ,light and i have been told that they are about 100 pounds for raw castings which is evern better as you can get then machined out to suit cossy std rear bearing which in turn means they will take the other std cossy hub parts which has just had it a lot cheaper to every one ,also for the diff craddle i have been told that a free lander (or something like that) has a dif craddle abit like the wrc which would mean some moddeds to suit the diff you want and your away on the right track !
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Old Aug 31, 2008 | 02:13 PM
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where are these bought from mate
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what rear hubs are they on page 1 of this thread, i am looking for some just like them?

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Old May 13, 2015 | 10:48 AM
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They are gravel uprights as used on wrc/grpa cossies

Still made new by a few people,

I have them all round on my fiesta cosworth

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Interesting thread. On a road car would there be a huge benefit over a 6 degree beam? I know the geo would have more adjustment and the suspension travel would be better and more consistent but in reality on the public road would it justify the difference. I can see on a track then yes.

I can see that the dampers etc have a better travel too.

Any weight savings after you fabricate the fixings etc.
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