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Old 13-08-2008, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dunketh
Why do they persist with using a flat engine design?

The beetle engines were shite - whatever possessed others to carry on with the idea?

Am I totally missing something here?
They are nicely balanced, think it is called primary balanced, and give a lot of low down and midrange torque.
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Originally Posted by dunketh
Why do they persist with using a flat engine design?

The beetle engines were shite - whatever possessed others to carry on with the idea?

Am I totally missing something here?
they do it to look cool, and so that they can aspire to be porches
Old 13-08-2008, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt J
I *think* what Ginge is trying to say is that dont assume just because someone works for the RAC (or just a mechanic in an average garage) knows everything about everything, I bet the RAC guy looks at a thousands of shopping cars every week, so in his experience perhaps a compression issue is usally a gasket problem.

I for one wouldn't be surprised if RAC training spends 0% of its time genning up on Wankels.
but they do tend to employ more of them than the aa
Old 13-08-2008, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dunketh
Why do they persist with using a flat engine design?

The beetle engines were shite - whatever possessed others to carry on with the idea?

Am I totally missing something here?
The fact they, and beetle engines, are perfecty good engines, some of the best in their age/class?
Old 13-08-2008, 02:02 PM
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some of the best in their age/class?
The beetle engine may have been good in the 30s but by the time they were sold en-masse over here they were already out-classed in every aspect by our own british A series.
The only thing I will say for them is they're rugged, and theres none of the hassle associated with water cooling.

Still, engineering moves on as Porsce and Subaru have obviously proven. Still seems an odd choice of format in the first place though..

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Old 13-08-2008, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dunketh
The beetle engine may have been good in the 30s but by the time they were sold en-masse over here they were already out-classed in every aspect by our own british A series.
The only thing I will say for them is they're rugged, and theres none of the hassle associated with water cooling.

Still, engineering moves on as Porsce and Subaru have obviously proven. Still seems an odd choice of format in the first place though..
Until stuff like the Mini came out in the 60s the Beetle was better performance than the best in class at time, ie Morris Minor, 2CV etc, saying 1930s is bollocks, they wasnt even mass produced till late 40s and 50s.

And the engine is WAY more tuneable than the A-series.

Reason I expect Subaru do it is weight distribution as much as anything.
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Originally Posted by dunketh
The beetle engine may have been good in the 30s but by the time they were sold en-masse over here they were already out-classed in every aspect by our own british A series.
Outclassed by a 3 bearing crank, an ashmatic 5 port cylinder head, and a weak dropgear setup?

Have you been smoking crack cocaine?

Have you SEEN what people have achieved with the beetle engine power wise!
Old 13-08-2008, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dojj
they do it to look cool, and so that they can aspire to be porches

i've often noticed them wishing they were stuck on the front of a house for people ot leave their brollies and dirty shoes in
Old 13-08-2008, 02:30 PM
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the engines lower weight is one of the MANY things with em, they are a nice engine design and not sure why more people dont use em,,, but then again dont know why the wankels aint used more as apart from the fuel consumption/oil burning issue its a stronger engine

and chip im FAR from arogant about anything at all, infact i was commenting on HOW the mistake was made and could see how it could have been done, yes its school boy to someone who knows everything about that car,,,, but remember the AA/RAC need to look at any vehicle and diagnose the issue why it cant be fixed and look at a few cars a day ALSO need to assess it as quick as possible,,,, if,,,, and we dont know but IF the compression was down,,, its safe to say he aint gonna solve it so he reports it as quick as poss,,, making a simple mistake but hes also gotta make a general guess anyway

the breakdown chaps are VERY good imo most times and could see how that was made

steves post was more of a " look how think they are, they dont know shite about wankels" when it could have just been the way he looked at it

cambelt,, well thats just guess work i supose,,,,, maybe its cause it was missing he assumed it snapped pmsl
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aside from the random off topic gibberish afterwards...

Originally Posted by Ginge !
the engines lower weight is one of the MANY things with em
what engine you mean?

ive not seen any really light engines mentioned?
Old 13-08-2008, 02:39 PM
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I aint getting into an argument about beetle engines ffs.

Having driven standard 1300 beetles and any number of 'A' engined cars I can say the A engined cars easily outperformed them and provided a smoother more civilised ride too.

Have you SEEN what people have achieved with the beetle engine power wise!
I've seen some examples but I'd be interested if you have any to share?

And the engine is WAY more tuneable than the A-series.
I doubt that.
Old 13-08-2008, 02:40 PM
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lower centre of gravity based on where the engine sits on a impreza is one of the reasons and also can sit futher back as the engine is shorter length ways but wider
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Originally Posted by dunketh



I doubt that.
how many tuned A series engines you see, as far as im aware the A series is a good starting engine for builders but not seen many about in these times
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Originally Posted by dunketh
I've seen some examples but I'd be interested if you have any to share?
450bhp+ these days mate, all be it not with many standard bits anymore!

Originally Posted by dunketh
I doubt that.
The A series is greatly limited in tuning potential when you start going forced induction and comparing to modern engines, but was ok in its day.

Had a few decent ones myself, so im not again them, but ultimately they ARE more limited than the beetle engine IMHO



One of my old ones from fucking ages ago, might interest you if you are into the A series, if not you can just laugh at how much weight ive put on in the last 10 years or something, lol:


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Originally Posted by dunketh
I aint getting into an argument about beetle engines ffs.

Having driven standard 1300 beetles and any number of 'A' engined cars I can say the A engined cars easily outperformed them and provided a smoother more civilised ride too.



I doubt that.
you are arguing by continuing to reply, and stav and chip will continue to reply too because they actually know what they are talking about!

so youre comparing standard engines? in completely different cars? and you bring up ride quality? wtf! you start tuning an a series and first the gearset spits it dummy, shortly followed by the crank, and 100bhp/litre is almost uheard of!

you doubt it why? What seriously makes you think the a series is better than the beetle lump?
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Originally Posted by dunketh
I doubt that.
Well you clearly have NO idea about modified Beetle engines then, or maybe no idea about A-series.

So shouldnt be commenting then.

As you dont know what your talking about and are massivley wrong.
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fuck me look at chip

mate christ you look different,, notice ypour chin has changed shape a little too,,,,,,, or rather split into 2
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OMFG, a pic of chip when he was younger!

mate you'vre really let yourself go havent you
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Originally Posted by Jim Galbally
OMFG, a pic of chip when he was younger!

mate you'vre really let yourself go havent you
i didnt wanna say that,,,, im not THAT cruel

besides with me its more a case of " people in glass houses"
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cunts
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Fucking Help Chip, that pic must have been taken a good 20 years ago ?

You've actually got hair!!!
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i recon its hes brother or something,,, cant be him at all,, he looks taller but then he IS standing beside a mini i guess
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
he looks taller
Maybe chip hasn't put on any weight, gravity just has more of an effect on him than anyone else
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Originally Posted by SNP
Fucking Help Chip, that pic must have been taken a good 20 years ago ?

You've actually got hair!!!
10 years ago mate.

This is another one from the same time period.




My hairstyle at the time was where the nickname chip came from, but you cant see it in those pics.

I used to have the front bit flicked up with a wax on it, and it looked a bit shiney, like it had chip-fat on it, and thats where the nickname started from!

you woudlnt guess that now of course, everyone always assumes its to do with the fact I chip cars or computer programming etc, or possibly just that I eat too many chips
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450bhp+ these days mate, all be it not with many standard bits anymore!
Shit the bed!

so youre comparing standard engines? in completely different cars? and you bring up ride quality?
Vibration, noise, all things contributable to the engine. Maybe I should talk about running them side by side on a bench and see which is loudest or what part of the bench shakes more?

you start tuning an a series and first the gearset spits it dummy
Gears arent A series problems, they're gearbox ones. I dont remember making any claims about gearboxes. You can stick a type 9 on the back of an A if you want a nice strong box.

Anyway, as you say I'm not helping my case by replying... so I'll shut up and enjoy 'Chip's Family Album'

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Originally Posted by Chip
10 years ago mate.
You've had a tough life by the looks of it then
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
i recon its hes brother or something,,, cant be him at all,, he looks taller but then he IS standing beside a mini i guess
Same height mate, and definately me, so must just be the mini making me look taller, or the fact I was 6' and 13 stone then, not 6' and over 15 stone like now.
The time that picture was taken though, that was the start of the decline for me, as it was a year or two after I stopped doing lots of martial arts, which was the only exercise I ever really got, lol
Another 2 years before that picture was taken I was 11 stone exactly and had a six pack and pecs. I never pictured myself a decade later as a bald fat cunt, shows how these things can sneak up on you
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Originally Posted by SNP
You've had a tough life by the looks of it then
Lots of beer, lots of women, lots of burgers, no exercise at all

Its a winning combination for fucking yourself up
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Originally Posted by Chip
a bald fat cunt, shows how these things can sneak up on you
Wasn't that the Prosecutions line of attack in your last court case with them school kids
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Originally Posted by SNP
Wasn't that the Prosecutions line of attack in your last court case with them school kids
Was dating this schoolkid at the time of those pictures ironically enough


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I don't know whats funnier, ginge's utter bollocks or pictures of chip. Best comedy post today
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Oy Love! Are you trying to start something?
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Originally Posted by Chip
Was dating this schoolkid at the time of those pictures ironically enough
Was that Cally ?

Remember her from RB.

Good craic, but seemed a bit mental at times

No offence intended.
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Originally Posted by SNP
Was that Cally ?
Yes mate.

And no offence taken, she was a bit mental, especially in cars, first day she went out in the mid engined nova she took both rear tyres down to the metal and popped them doing donuts
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Originally Posted by dunketh


Oy Love! Are you trying to start something?
Worst joke EVER
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Chip..how you let yaself go lol
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Originally Posted by Chip
10 years ago mate.

This is another one from the same time period.




My hairstyle at the time was where the nickname chip came from, but you cant see it in those pics.

I used to have the front bit flicked up with a wax on it, and it looked a bit shiney, like it had chip-fat on it, and thats where the nickname started from!

you woudlnt guess that now of course, everyone always assumes its to do with the fact I chip cars or computer programming etc, or possibly just that I eat too many chips
fuck me how long is your neck there,,,

chip its always nice to look back at old photos when we was thin isnt it
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Originally Posted by DanCossie
Chip..how you let yaself go lol
Just look chip ^^^

If you'd of had enough self respect to stay in shape you'd have pulled
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Originally Posted by Ginge !
fuck me how long is your neck there,,,
Well "long enough to deepthroat" is probably what Dan is thinking


Originally Posted by Ginge !
chip its always nice to look back at old photos when we was thin isnt it
My mum has one of me when I won some diving contest when I was a teenager and am 11 stone in weight, toned and pretty muscely, first thing my bird said when she saw round mum's place was "fucking hell, why dont you look like that still?"

It is quite scarey how easy it is to let yourself go, let it be a lessen to all you young fit blokes on here


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