Emerald mapping
All joking aside though, it is something that would be worth him looking into IMHO as I see no point in the software not being a bit easier to use when live mapping on the road as he surely MUST realise thats what a lot of his customers do to map their cars?
For my usual chargeout rate of 100 pounds an hour, im quite happy to offer him my consultancy services either for designing the new software or for actually writing it, as currently im in a non exclusive contract so am allowed to do so
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Fookin hell girls what has this turned into.!
answer is... NO there isnt a live grid but it really Cant be that hard for Emerald to put this on the next version of the software i'm sure. (if they want to)
And many thanks again for doing the fuel map on the car Chip!
will be on the rollers soon i'm sure to piss about with the ignition timing..
Sorry for being the cause for any upset LOL
what has this turned into.!answer is... NO there isnt a live grid
but it really Cant be that hard for Emerald to put this on the next version of the software i'm sure. (if they want to)And many thanks again for doing the fuel map on the car Chip!
will be on the rollers soon i'm sure to piss about with the ignition timing..
Sorry for being the cause for any upset LOL
LOL, no worries mate, was the first and wont be the last emerald ive mapped so its not like its your fault I had to endure it, only a matter of time till it happens again no doubt.
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Dave did not write the software, but doews of course represent emerald, he admits he knows nothing about that side of things, but then again has never said he did.
There is a collosal amount going on at the moment, and the comments here, (constructive ones) will be brought to his attention, as he is appreciative of feedback and word on the street so to speak.
Dave does NOT use a mouse when mapping, not one I have ever seen, and assume if he had a problem he would have mentioned it, unless there is a way that you don't know about ?
I am having mine mapped on 15 July, so will keep a lookout for mice, as i scream like a little girl if I see any!!
Karl who does the compy side of things would I am sure be interested if it made life easier for some to know of difficulties, whenever I speak to Karl, most of what he says goes way over my head, but I'm too embarassed to say anything, nice bloke though, bloody clever, I get stuck at the on/off switch!!
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There is a collosal amount going on at the moment, and the comments here, (constructive ones) will be brought to his attention, as he is appreciative of feedback and word on the street so to speak.
Dave does NOT use a mouse when mapping, not one I have ever seen, and assume if he had a problem he would have mentioned it, unless there is a way that you don't know about ?
I am having mine mapped on 15 July, so will keep a lookout for mice, as i scream like a little girl if I see any!!
Karl who does the compy side of things would I am sure be interested if it made life easier for some to know of difficulties, whenever I speak to Karl, most of what he says goes way over my head, but I'm too embarassed to say anything, nice bloke though, bloody clever, I get stuck at the on/off switch!!
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ctrl+p, both at once!
Why the fuck when you are doing 120mph (at brunters not on the M5 that would be naughty) do I need to press TWO fucking keys, to perform ONE function, seriously, what was he smoking when he dedided that made sense? Why not just hit function key 1 or similar?
Then you press enter to confirm that you have accidently pressed two fucking keys at once (as if you are EVER going to accidently press the ctrl key down and hold it then press P, im mean seriously WTF?) then you press enter then you have to wait AGES (trust me it IS ages if you are in the middle of getting det at 6000rpm at 2 bar of boost etc!) for the update to happen to the entire map, rather than just do the 1 cell that has changed (which the ECU already CAN do as it does it in live update mode) then you press enter again to say you accept its done the thing you pressed 2 keys to ask it to do then hit enter to confirm you wanted it to do.
Seriously, I design software for a living, and that fucking sucks, its just a totally shocking GUI he has clearly not got a clue what he is doing at this side of things, its just not anywhere near as useable a tool as it could SO easily be!
All it needs is a toggle for "live update / offline update" that when selected (by pressing 47 keys at once and confirming eleventy seven times with the enter key if he insists) that it then turns to live update mode (and if he wants just to be safe it could turn the entire map bright pink so you know that you are in LIVE mode) and any change you make happens instantly.
If you arent confident about doing it in that mode, you dont go through whatever obscenely complicated process he puts in place to put you into live edit mode and leave it as it is, but if you DO feel you can actually be trusted to type the correct things in, like you do with all the other ecu's you map, then it lets you do so.
Hardly rocket science really?
Its literally only a dozen lines of code and would turn his front end from something that is a PITA to use to something far simpler.
There we go, thats the rant NeilM has already told me off for having, so I figured I may as well do the crime as Id already done the time
Why the fuck when you are doing 120mph (at brunters not on the M5 that would be naughty) do I need to press TWO fucking keys, to perform ONE function, seriously, what was he smoking when he dedided that made sense? Why not just hit function key 1 or similar?
Then you press enter to confirm that you have accidently pressed two fucking keys at once (as if you are EVER going to accidently press the ctrl key down and hold it then press P, im mean seriously WTF?) then you press enter then you have to wait AGES (trust me it IS ages if you are in the middle of getting det at 6000rpm at 2 bar of boost etc!) for the update to happen to the entire map, rather than just do the 1 cell that has changed (which the ECU already CAN do as it does it in live update mode) then you press enter again to say you accept its done the thing you pressed 2 keys to ask it to do then hit enter to confirm you wanted it to do.
Seriously, I design software for a living, and that fucking sucks, its just a totally shocking GUI he has clearly not got a clue what he is doing at this side of things, its just not anywhere near as useable a tool as it could SO easily be!
All it needs is a toggle for "live update / offline update" that when selected (by pressing 47 keys at once and confirming eleventy seven times with the enter key if he insists) that it then turns to live update mode (and if he wants just to be safe it could turn the entire map bright pink so you know that you are in LIVE mode) and any change you make happens instantly.
If you arent confident about doing it in that mode, you dont go through whatever obscenely complicated process he puts in place to put you into live edit mode and leave it as it is, but if you DO feel you can actually be trusted to type the correct things in, like you do with all the other ecu's you map, then it lets you do so.
Hardly rocket science really?
Its literally only a dozen lines of code and would turn his front end from something that is a PITA to use to something far simpler.
There we go, thats the rant NeilM has already told me off for having, so I figured I may as well do the crime as Id already done the time
Symtec,
Hondata
DTA
GEMs
To name a few, i'm glad some1 else has noticed this, it get's on my nerves as well.
It would be better to have, anything right of H go up, anything left of G go down
It's stupid you have to press 2 key's. Like your going to be in the car hammering it with the laptop on your knee for something other than live mapping
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My dad had his engine for his westfield sorted out by Dave back in the day when he did emerald cams and it's still spot on.
Me and Jimbo trained with Dave for years when he was a martial arts instructor before he moved up north and he was a good bloke then so i'm sure he still is now
Me and Jimbo trained with Dave for years when he was a martial arts instructor before he moved up north and he was a good bloke then so i'm sure he still is now
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My dad had his engine for his westfield sorted out by Dave back in the day when he did emerald cams and it's still spot on.
Me and Jimbo trained with Dave for years when he was a martial arts instructor before he moved up north and he was a good bloke then so i'm sure he still is now
Me and Jimbo trained with Dave for years when he was a martial arts instructor before he moved up north and he was a good bloke then so i'm sure he still is now
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he didn't move 'up north' - he moved to east anglia which is neither north nor south 
therefore east anglians cannot be classed as 'facking notfrn monkeys' by southerners, or 'soft southerners' by northerners 
therefore east anglians cannot be classed as 'facking notfrn monkeys' by southerners, or 'soft southerners' by northerners
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but i do live down south....
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Even Gotech - which i think is properly shit - allows u change in realtime...
I agree 100% with Chip, and would go as far as to say that u can't acutally get a properly optimised live map out of a system like this.
I agree 100% with Chip, and would go as far as to say that u can't acutally get a properly optimised live map out of a system like this.
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To be fair to the ECU i know of a LOT that you have to press 2 keys and enter etc etc.
Symtec,
Hondata
DTA
GEMs
To name a few, i'm glad some1 else has noticed this, it get's on my nerves as well.
It would be better to have, anything right of H go up, anything left of G go down
It's stupid you have to press 2 key's. Like your going to be in the car hammering it with the laptop on your knee for something other than live mapping
Symtec,
Hondata
DTA
GEMs
To name a few, i'm glad some1 else has noticed this, it get's on my nerves as well.
It would be better to have, anything right of H go up, anything left of G go down
It's stupid you have to press 2 key's. Like your going to be in the car hammering it with the laptop on your knee for something other than live mapping
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After picking up(yet another ecu) from emerald yesterday, this question is going to be answered by Emerald themselves.
But as I read it you just go to F8, to LIVE UPDATE, put in new figure/s press ENTER all done.
I am not versed in these things though, so when discussing it, dave said he/karl would answer it, it may be a little delayed though.
He had yet another INNOVATE LC1 controller that was fubbared yesterday, glad I bought Tech Edge now, skint is not the word!!
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But as I read it you just go to F8, to LIVE UPDATE, put in new figure/s press ENTER all done.
I am not versed in these things though, so when discussing it, dave said he/karl would answer it, it may be a little delayed though.
He had yet another INNOVATE LC1 controller that was fubbared yesterday, glad I bought Tech Edge now, skint is not the word!!
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After picking up(yet another ecu) from emerald yesterday, this question is going to be answered by Emerald themselves.
But as I read it you just go to F8, to LIVE UPDATE, put in new figure/s press ENTER all done.
I am not versed in these things though, so when discussing it, dave said he/karl would answer it, it may be a little delayed though.
He had yet another INNOVATE LC1 controller that was fubbared yesterday, glad I bought Tech Edge now, skint is not the word!!
tabetha
But as I read it you just go to F8, to LIVE UPDATE, put in new figure/s press ENTER all done.
I am not versed in these things though, so when discussing it, dave said he/karl would answer it, it may be a little delayed though.
He had yet another INNOVATE LC1 controller that was fubbared yesterday, glad I bought Tech Edge now, skint is not the word!!
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shame as thats what i was gonna get to go with my Emerald set up (which i am very happy with thankyou lol)as thats what it shows wiring for in the instructions.
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I have heard of lots of cases of LC1's conking out, as do emerald, so I use Tech Edge as he suggested.
I got mine from trigger-wheels.co.uk, it is a 2J1 controller, with some very good features like calibrate, good for new sensors, just a button press away(in free air), and you can test sensor as you can any with a lighter(butane).
He also sells on ebay, it was £136.99 delivered, uses the latest Bosch 5 wire LS4/4.2 lambda included in the price, and is the uk seller of these, also got my 36-1 trigger wheel from him.
I got mine from trigger-wheels.co.uk, it is a 2J1 controller, with some very good features like calibrate, good for new sensors, just a button press away(in free air), and you can test sensor as you can any with a lighter(butane).
He also sells on ebay, it was £136.99 delivered, uses the latest Bosch 5 wire LS4/4.2 lambda included in the price, and is the uk seller of these, also got my 36-1 trigger wheel from him.
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