foreigneRS

in those terms, fuel is actually cheap so let's stop moaning about it

TurboShed

You wanna stop buying Evian in Shell garages.

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

good job evian doesn't carry fuel duty then .....yet

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

you could opt for filling an evien bottle with tap water, the price of fuel you have no option but to pay gordon cunt brown

Mr Orange

You sir are getting raped!!!

74p for a 1.5 litre bottle of volvic from my local supermarket

also for the petrol/diesel thing. the government wanted us to buy diesel cars in the 90s as it was better for the environment or some shite like that. Then realised that as diesels do more mpg the cars will need filling up less so wont put as much cash into the coffers, to solve that they made the cost of diesel higher to make up the difference.

Rhys

Sorry but that is wrong. As fare as im aware tax on petrol is same as diesel, and other than that govt does not control prices.

AlexF

How does the government control the cost of diesel vs petrol?

They tax both :s

I love the way EVERYONE says this country is shit and its the goverment... have you considered its the oil companies?

Alex

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

duty on diesel is higher than on normal unleaded then there is 17.5%vat on top of the higher duty

Rhys

2007 Fuel Tax Figures
2007 fuel duty (as of 1 October 2007) in the United Kingdom is:
50.35 pence per litre for ultra-low sulphur unleaded petrol/diesel
53.65 pence per litre for conventional unleaded petrol
56.94 pence per litre for conventional diesel
30.35 pence per litre for bio-diesel and bio ethanol - low tax to encourage consumer conversion
16.49 pence per kg for gas other than natural gas (LPG)
13.70 pence per kg for natural gas used as road fuel.
9.69 pence per litre for rebated gas oil (red diesel)
9.29 pence per litre for rebated fuel oil


Would be nice to know why they vary!?

AlexF

Didnt know that - good find!

Rhys

Obviously they go up Alex as the price of oil goes up as its on percentage basis so having high tax burden amplifies the fact So with oil going up the treasury does have a windfall in funds.

Though the govt are not at fault for the sudden rapid increase in oil i suppose they could help by altering the tax ratio to keep it the same level of funds they are receving etc. Hard one, all i want to know i would be happy at Ł1 a ltr and i cannot belive i am saying that

Pob

I think mr brown squirts his man-juice into the mix. thinking it'll help co2 emissiosn. ;P

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

they vary because gordon brown is a greedy cooont the highest tax is levied on the highest selling types, if the whole country switched to bio diesel you would soon find that the duty on bio would shoot up

Ade

PMSL, that's a joke!

I'm sick to death of breathing in the soot from every cunt in a TDi that thinks he's got a fast car.
Everyday there's more and more of them flooring it everywhere chucking out shite all over my car and up my nose....

TrevCos

iTrader: (1)

That's the thing, the government doesn't care that it's going up because their revenue from it is percentage based, so the more it goes up the more they get. If they wanted to cap prices I bet they could get involved, and they could certainly take less of a percentage in tax so the petrol stations wouldn't have to keep putting it up to earn and revenue from it. I know someone who works in a Co-op petrol station with a shop that has said for a long time the place only makes money out of the shop, the petrol station struggles to break even.
Either take some of the tax off it or scrap the road tax, you want it all ways Gordie! Oh and actually give us a pay rise that matches inflation!!!!!!
No wonder people are struggling.
Anyway, I guess he'll be out at the next election, or before probably, get someone in that actually gives a toss about working people!

haighlsby

You get more miles from using diesel, so to stop people saving money the gov have raised the price to even it out.

Diesel used to be cheaper.

Rob84

is it balls. Diesel is FAR from a by product from refining. Theres only one by product thats almost useless and that is vacuum residue. Its only our company that can refine this and turn it into something valuble.

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

i think what he meant was diesel is much lower down in the refraction process of crude than petrol is and is therefore less refined and cheaper to produce than petrol.

Rob84

Ok, even that is not strictly true. With emissions laws getting ever stricter, Diesel is becoming ALOT more costly to produce as the "diesel" they get on the initial "crack" is shit. it takes alot more refining and blending to make the diesel we all know and love.

Turbosystems

iTrader: (5)

I was going to say previously that diesel is no longer what it used to be with the removal of sulfur has made it far more complex a blend of chemical cocktails but this a huge cost to the oil companies whcih they charge a minuscule amount for it is the government and their greed that makes fuel expensive

orionmojo

iTrader: (1)

not everyone has the option or luxury of being able to paying more. have you ever seen a petrol truck? (one that runs on it, not fucking delivers it before anyone says it! ) delivery costs havent gone up, but diesel has so thats less profit. it seems to me you'll be one of the first to moan when food prices increase again "for no aparent reason" while you deem it acceptible for fuel prices to remain at ridiculous prices.


also (unrelated) there is talk now that they want to ban red diesel in all road going vehicles, I.E tractors and JCB's, rollers and dumpers etc etc. what is the reason for that oter than pure greed!

AlexF

No really its not....

Alex

martinrs500labatts

the goverment are taxing fuel @ 65% on the pump price so the dearer it is the more the make on us


they could lower the massive tax down or only tax 65% up to a value of fuel and then no tax over this point

that way they could lower the pump price

trouble is the goverment has no money so needs to tax everyone as much as possible

which in turn is causing a down turn and then in the end they get less tax as more people stuggle so spend less and firms go under

companys have to pass on some of these costs and it is making inflation rise at a much higher rate then anyone wonts

rising cost also mean more demands for higher wages = this will mean more jobs going abroad as are labour rate is to high

less jobs and more people claiming means more demond on the gov= so more tax again.