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Old 25-04-2008, 04:42 PM
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going to get my head gasflowed for the new T4 engine,

at the moment im heading CNCs way,

anyone recommend anyone?

want this sorted asap...so it can be mapped
Old 25-04-2008, 04:45 PM
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Darren at DAMICO, 01953 717784.
He has all the bits to do a good job loads of years experience, a cossie die hard, has engine dynos etc etc, worth a chat.
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Old 25-04-2008, 04:48 PM
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are they flow tested?
Old 25-04-2008, 04:50 PM
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been hearing CNC heads are not so good now Jim as gone back to sweden
Old 25-04-2008, 04:54 PM
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speak to karl at nms
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ahhh, maybe its a good thing i asked then....
Old 25-04-2008, 04:56 PM
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someone who does it by hand is what you want i think scs does them any size might be worth a bell
Old 25-04-2008, 05:00 PM
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ask ur tuner..........but nms will do a stage 2 head (supplied) for 750 + the twat....give karl a pm
Old 25-04-2008, 05:14 PM
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Thinking about it you could try guy croft his books on performance engines go for something like £200 there so in demand so he must be doing something right

http://www.guy-croft.com/index.php

Tell him the spec of the engine and what its intended for
Old 25-04-2008, 05:17 PM
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thanks guys keep the ideas comming!
i have asked my tuner,but this is an interesting topic...
Old 25-04-2008, 05:48 PM
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other thing to price up if needed.....cams (of ur choice).....iskeys,new valves,seals,gaskets,etc...........
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i'll do it for a few hundred!

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will be having all that...and the rest of the engine
Old 25-04-2008, 09:25 PM
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im having issues with my head,il let you know if well known machine man dont sort it
Old 25-04-2008, 09:40 PM
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The CNC heads are done by a computerised lathe so it makes no difference if someone has left or not.
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I used Andy Weston at Cylinder Head Developments. Always had a good reputation in years gone by, and lots of the big power Cossies seem to feature CHD work.
Old 26-04-2008, 12:16 AM
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Karl Norris (NMS)........Very Well Respected and VERY Experienced.
Old 26-04-2008, 04:42 AM
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Yes Damico done by hand, every single one, all his heads work as confirmed by his testing results.
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Old 26-04-2008, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
The CNC heads are done by a computerised lathe so it makes no difference if someone has left or not.
what a croc,a computer is only as good as its operator.
Old 26-04-2008, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rapidcossie
The CNC heads are done by a computerised lathe so it makes no difference if someone has left or not.
Originally Posted by big_wig_074
what a croc,a computer is only as good as its operator.
What' how can you get it wrong? its a CNC machine ? they will all come out exactly the same
Old 26-04-2008, 08:36 AM
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unless the new employee gets to play with the program (which i doubt) then ur wrong mate


miller beat me too it!
Old 26-04-2008, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by miller3
What' how can you get it wrong? its a CNC machine ? they will all come out exactly the same
unless you want some specifically for YOUR engine,custom work from someone who KNOWS what they are doing,not a machine that religiously follows what is input to it.it might be EXACTLY the same,but if its not input correctly in the first place then it will all be EXACTLY wrong!
and youre also saying a CNC machine never does anything wrong?hmmm.....well the scrap metal bins outside metal workshops around the country will disagree with you.
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How can you develop a cylinder head without a flow bench, engine dyno?

So if you apply that rule neither Karl Norris or Cylinder Head Developments have either!

And how on earth do you think a hand ported head is preferable over a CNC cut one??? As long as the port shape is good the CNC is best every time as it can replicate that port shape precisly in every port with no variation time and time again.
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thats what i thought! and i know the likes of cnc heads cut a few heads up to see exactly where they cant,and cant machine...
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The main problem i heard is Jim used to do everything with the heads the development the computer putting the head onto the CNC machine Jim took great care that everything was 200% spot on

If your 1 mm out when bolting the head into place the whole head will be done wrong

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Old 26-04-2008, 01:43 PM
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The CNC heads make a good base but I think most people still have them fettled after which is a good enough reason not to use them.

Nik Waples, Karl Norris, Neil Roper are a few I can think of who I would use.
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Originally Posted by G2RSR
The main problem i heard is Jim used to do everything with the heads the development the computer putting the head onto the CNC machine Jim took great care that everything was 200% spot on

If your 1 mm out when bolting the head into place the whole head will be done wrong
Never mind 1mm mate, if your a few thou out its gonna be wrong

I would imagine whoever does the cnc stuff there is capable of bolting things down in the right place
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ordered a cnc one, with hand finishing today
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good choice IMO!
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lets hope so....should make proper power this time!
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[QUOTE=G2RSR;3255637]The main problem i heard is Jim used to do everything with the heads the development the computer putting the head onto the CNC machine Jim took great care that everything was 200% spot on

If your 1 mm out when bolting the head into place the whole head will be done wrong [/QUOT


Use a probe like,should come with the cnc miller can programme it to measure the head every time you bolt/unbolt it
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