Whats your views on the following?

There are many scary stories associated with ecstasy's effects on the brain and unfortunately we just don't know what the truth is. "Although we know that ecstasy use depletes the brain's serotonin levels in the short term."

"Most people who took ecstasy when the drug first became popular on the UK scene in the 1990s are only now reaching their 30s and 40s - so more research is needed to assess the drug's long-term mental health impact on the first 'E generation'."

Anyone in there 30's with depression that they think is maybe caused by their E use back in the day?

Or anyone who used E regulary who is ok? and hasnt seen any side effects??

 

it seems to be more popular and widespread than ever before! and not just among the young-un's....

plenty of other stuff causes stress like mortgages, jobs, relationships, cost of living etc etc so it would be hard for them to pin it on pills.

 

This is a car forum right

 

Just wondering if previous E users, maybe not current ones have had experience of this, or are all ok.

or even any other medicala issues that may be linked to their pill use

 

Yeh sorry but i posted it in the general forum, if you dont think its appropriate Im sure it will be deleted.

CheeRS

 

its not like it stays in your body for eternity. government and health authorities say everything is bad for you. OTT exageration IMHO. they're only pissed off because they cant tax it.

 

all drugs have side effects and i would say E users would have taken more than one type of drug so im sure they cant pin any side effects or bad trips purely on the Es they had taken. just my opinion

 

as the saying goes ' they're not what they used to be'

I worked in the nightclub industry for 10+years, i was pretty mullered most weekends lol - havent done them for years now, but the last lot you could tell were just made up of whatever they could find to press into a pill - i think you stand more chance of getting fucked up on them these days than you did back in the 90's.

 

YES

 

although not taken them for over 8 years now, so not sure what they are like now, but have heard the same as you say above, when I did take them, I took alot and for years, I personally have had no ill side effects ( fingers crossed so far) , but its something my Mum had asked me on a few occasions, and just wondered if anyone suffers now as an effect of it.

 

sorry to hear that, was hoping that everyone would say NO....

 

Anyone who thinks that taking significant quantities of mind altering drugs for a long period of time will not effect their mental state, is just a silly naive fool IMHO

The extent though to which it does so is likely to be very hard to assess, some would argue that often the sort of people who feel the need to turn to drugs for a good night out are the same sort of people who would have got depression anyway, so things like that can effect the results of tests.

Certainly would be good to get some real data, but it NEVER seems to happen for ANY illegal drug and even on legal recreational drugs the information is pretty poor really.

 

i havent taken them for about the same period as you, but the last i did take were deffo not like the first ones i took in fact, prob the last couple of years i was doing them they had changed.

 

I used to do alot when i was 15 to around 18 . I am 26 now and feel fine.

The reason i gave them up though was because they do make you feel 'depressed' if you have been doing them alot . I reckon thats because they make you happy by releasing chemicals in your brain and you simpily cant replenish these chemicals quick enough if your doing lots of pill regulary. When i say depressed i dont mean i wanted to kill my self or anything stupid just didnt laugh at shit that i usualy found funny and generally was bored of everything and was miserable fucker.

Also as has been said the pills back then where proper. I remember feeling a rush pulsating through your body from a decent pill back in the day. Took one last year at a mated birthday and it was shite didnt feel anything like the ones we used get.

 

are you one of those that would argue that? load of bollocks imo

 

Daveyboy, ive not studied it so im not really qualified to comment.

I sometimes have a few drinks on a night out and dont particuarly feel like that highlights a flaw in my personality, but I think its a case of moderation, I think if people feel that they CANT have a good night out without drugs (legal or illegal) then it says something about their personality though.

 

before i get flamed to death with an essay ..... im not saying they wont/dont/couldnt have an effect on someones mental state, but to say its gonna happen to everyone, or they would be depressed regardless is just rubbish. different things effect different people differently

 

Yep agree with you there, think thats why I stopped taking them! ,, na really just didnt want to feck with my body any longer...

 

i agree that if they HAVE to take drugs when they go out then somethings amiss - but to take them recreationally doesnt really warrant saying that they have personality flaws.

would you say Porkie has issues? (apologies porkie, but i know Chip holds you in high regard so you seem a good example).

 

the doctors have said to me that at some point they wanted to do a study and I would gladly agree to helping them out on that.

I personally have never had depression and hope to be lucky enough never to suffer from it, I look at life as everything happens for a reason, had a pretty hard time in recent weeks, but Im not depressed about it and things can only get better I say !

 

Ive no idea on porkies state of mind im afraid mate, mental heath issues are a difficult thing to spot from just seeing someone now and then in a group of people which is my only real interaction with Porkie generally.

Id be surprised if he doesnt have some sort of minor changes to his personality and/or cognitive ability though based on abusing drugs.

 

I never had you down Chip as a cheesy quaver pill muncher...?

 

Fairplay mate, i think we could sit and bat this back and forth all afternoon lol. i think there are many opinions as to what does what and until conclusive studies have been made, i guess we'll all just have to keep on speculating

 

thats a saying from the past !

 

did you read this post at all lol?

 

no why....?

 

lol, it shows mate

 

Davey.. I read the topic and saw this..

Anyone in there 30's with depression that they think is maybe caused by their E use back in the day

So I assumed it would have people re[plying who have some sort of experience to do with pills etc...

 

but they do say, assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups

 

when has Chip needed experience in anything to pass comment lol

 

Not sure when the Leah Betz thing happened (early nineties?) i was what 10-11 i think and it was enough to scare me of drugs for the rest of my life. I aint ever touched any Recreational drug, feel no need. It can damage you in so many ways.

Worst drug ive taken myself, is Nurofen!


Carl

 

Indeed, could all go in circles pointlessly with opinions that we dont really have enough basis for in terms of proper clinical trials, even though of us who think we know someone strongle effected or not effected, people are notoriously bad at diagnosing changes in their own mental health anyway.
Even people with very severe cases of schizophrenia and illnesses like that for example genuinely believe they are NOT suffering from anything so spotting a very mild change in attitude is almost impossible for the drug abuser.

I will say though that Im not aware of ANY clinically prescribed mind altering drug on sale which is without documented long term side effects from long term use, so it seems unlikely to me that E would be the exception to this.

 

yeah but he IS qualified.. experience counts for shit, he has read the books.. lol

 

I just wrote a fucking loads on the subject, but fucking lost it.


But I have read everything you can read on the subject,

basically there is no long term effects


and chip can you not open your mouth, with no knowledge on the subject.


basically I still use MDMA only once a month or so. I use it because I like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS MDMA is rated 18th out 20 for the most dangerous drugs (panarama BBC1)

 

Thats a fair comment, but usually prescribed drugs are taken a few times a day - ive never taken an E everyday! ..well ok maybe on a few weekend benders lol! It is a valid point though.

I will however say this, ive never been out of work, I have a mortgage ive never missed a payment on, i have 2 dogs to look after, plus a missus with a penchant for shoes - it cant have fucked me up that much if i still deal with that lot everyday

 

WRONG

 

There has been hundreds of clinical trials, thats why its rated so low.

 

Drugs are for Mugs

 

do you drink Carl?

 

what a pethatic comment....

another twat that is commenting without no experience what so ever...