the E generation
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Just coz I may have taken drugs past or present doesnt make me a mug, I trained as a engineer, have held done a full time job, have a great job in enineering, have a long term relationship ( with someone who has never taking drugs ) and have built a house, and have a normal life same as anyone else...
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From the 100's of pages of literature ive read, mdma has been shown to cause some cognitive defects in HEAVY polydrug users, so? Not entirely unexpected hey! And they are fine 1 year after use has stopped.
Show any data on light recreational use i.e. using upto 200mgs upto 4 times per year. You will not find anything because at that dose/frequency, it is not damaging.
That is what i'd suggest anyone new to the drug to do, and no more.
Show any data on light recreational use i.e. using upto 200mgs upto 4 times per year. You will not find anything because at that dose/frequency, it is not damaging.
That is what i'd suggest anyone new to the drug to do, and no more.
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Mate dont be a tit. Yes i used the car when it was my dads, from march to december as my own, but now it is mine, yes i am the ''proud'' owner etc all that bollox!
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The ironic thing of course, is that you seem to be TOTALLY missing the point that most people who do drugs and then comment on the effects it has had on them, are the ones doing that 
They have NO experience in diagnosis of mental health issues anyway, so they dont know of a change cause they arent qualified or experienced enough to comment, especially as its invariabley happened very gradually, and often the effects are subtle, its a bit like driving a car and not noticing anything wrong with it as things slowly degrade on it in terms of the bushes gaining play, or losing valve seal etc
They have NO experience in diagnosis of mental health issues anyway, so they dont know of a change cause they arent qualified or experienced enough to comment, especially as its invariabley happened very gradually, and often the effects are subtle, its a bit like driving a car and not noticing anything wrong with it as things slowly degrade on it in terms of the bushes gaining play, or losing valve seal etc
are you trying to say we all have depression and have mental health issues? just want you to clarify that???
Well to a certain extent, although you've been wrong on everything else, you ARE in fact correct to seperate "generic E" from MDMA, as they most certainly are not the same thing, even though E is in fact meant to have MDMA (as far as im aware) as its ONLY active ingredient from a mind altering perspecitve, the reality of course is that as most E is in fact controlled by criminal gangs only interested in profit, the actual ingredients can vary massively.
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Well to a certain extent, although you've been wrong on everything else, you ARE in fact correct to seperate "generic E" from MDMA, as they most certainly are not the same thing, even though E is in fact meant to have MDMA (as far as im aware) as its ONLY active ingredient from a mind altering perspecitve, the reality of course is that as most E is in fact controlled by criminal gangs only interested in profit, the actual ingredients can vary massively.
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Well to a certain extent, although you've been wrong on everything else, you ARE in fact correct to seperate "generic E" from MDMA, as they most certainly are not the same thing, even though E is in fact meant to have MDMA (as far as im aware) as its ONLY active ingredient from a mind altering perspecitve, the reality of course is that as most E is in fact controlled by criminal gangs only interested in profit, the actual ingredients can vary massively.
whats a anger fuelled rage drug then? when people get stabbed up over it?!
most heavy violence and shootings are linked to drugs in someway and the money made from it correct or not?
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how many fights do you see silling out of nightclubs?
how many fights do you see aty closing time down the pub - and you're the drinker - shame on you lol
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Carl, you're making a big mistake lumping mdma(or E) with all other drugs in its effects. It's unique.
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its all relative carl -go out and do herion and crack and you'll be entering into a world like you describe - but we're not talking about that- we're talking about people who go clubbing and ban g a couple of pills and dance all night. not sitting in a squat shooting up!
how many fights do you see silling out of nightclubs?
how many fights do you see aty closing time down the pub - and you're the drinker - shame on you lol
how many fights do you see silling out of nightclubs?
how many fights do you see aty closing time down the pub - and you're the drinker - shame on you lol
would you drive after taking them?
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no ive never had a fight after taking mdma, i have after beer. no ive never driven after taking any drugs and i think anyone who does is a cock
Not sure when the Leah Betz thing happened (early nineties?) i was what 10-11 i think and it was enough to scare me of drugs for the rest of my life. I aint ever touched any Recreational drug, feel no need. It can damage you in so many ways.
Worst drug ive taken myself, is Nurofen!
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Worst drug ive taken myself, is Nurofen!
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She didnt die from that E.
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i would hazard a guess at there being more stabbings etc through drink than drugs in the uk.
i dont know how we have so many experts on here who have never taken drugs.
its not big or clever but i have a wife a nice house,pay my taxes and have the second kid on the way, never miss a days work.
never felt depressed EVER ,if you ask me it just a new word for pissed off!(i know there are genuine cases tho).
imo i kicked the arse right out it from about 17-25.
i dont know how we have so many experts on here who have never taken drugs.
its not big or clever but i have a wife a nice house,pay my taxes and have the second kid on the way, never miss a days work.
never felt depressed EVER ,if you ask me it just a new word for pissed off!(i know there are genuine cases tho).
imo i kicked the arse right out it from about 17-25.
No, what I was saying, is that most people (I dont know if that includes you or not so was saying nothing about you specifically) arent in fact qualified to comment on their own mental health, so asking people "has it effected you" is likely to lead to very low quality (but still interesting IMHO) data back from which no real conclusion is likely to be drawn.
PMSL! Mate, you have no idea! 
Drug takers, or Drug dealers? People who take drugs are nothing like what your thinking, never in a million years. FACT!
I've been to loads of raves, parties where there have been class A, and not once have I ever seen a fight, or someone out of control!
Go to a pub, Sunday after noon, providing what pub it is, Chances of a fight breaking out because some cunt whos had to many wifebeaters wants to smack some other cunt for looking at his missus, Chances mate- high.
I'll be going to a rave soon and I bet my life there wont be one fight, or someone that wants to "take axes out the shed and go out on vendettas!" as you put it
If a drug is for a mug, Why do you drink?
Drug takers, or Drug dealers? People who take drugs are nothing like what your thinking, never in a million years. FACT!
I've been to loads of raves, parties where there have been class A, and not once have I ever seen a fight, or someone out of control!
Go to a pub, Sunday after noon, providing what pub it is, Chances of a fight breaking out because some cunt whos had to many wifebeaters wants to smack some other cunt for looking at his missus, Chances mate- high.
I'll be going to a rave soon and I bet my life there wont be one fight, or someone that wants to "take axes out the shed and go out on vendettas!" as you put it
If a drug is for a mug, Why do you drink?
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No, what I was saying, is that most people (I dont know if that includes you or not so was saying nothing about you specifically) arent in fact qualified to comment on their own mental health, so asking people "has it effected you" is likely to lead to very low quality (but still interesting IMHO) data back from which no real conclusion is likely to be drawn.
has certinaly been a diffrent response to the post than I expected !
It actually leads to LESS THAN no violence what so ever.
If you took 20 people who were about to have a fight (all of whom have had no drugs) and gave them all MDMA, you'd find most of the no longer wanted a fight.
Most common drug for that is alcohol
Yes, I wouldnt perhaps go as far as "most" but certianly MANY are, including MDMA/E etc
Changing its status from illegal to legal would remove that problem, it would also lead to tax revenue being generated that could be used to further tackle such issues.
The downside of legalising it though, is that there would almost certianly be a MASSIVE increase in its use.
With proper education that would be no bad thing, but sadly proper education and the british public arent two things you hear together!
If you took 20 people who were about to have a fight (all of whom have had no drugs) and gave them all MDMA, you'd find most of the no longer wanted a fight.
Changing its status from illegal to legal would remove that problem, it would also lead to tax revenue being generated that could be used to further tackle such issues.
The downside of legalising it though, is that there would almost certianly be a MASSIVE increase in its use.
With proper education that would be no bad thing, but sadly proper education and the british public arent two things you hear together!
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as the saying goes ' they're not what they used to be'
I worked in the nightclub industry for 10+years, i was pretty mullered most weekends lol - havent done them for years now, but the last lot you could tell were just made up of whatever they could find to press into a pill - i think you stand more chance of getting fucked up on them these days than you did back in the 90's.
I worked in the nightclub industry for 10+years, i was pretty mullered most weekends lol - havent done them for years now, but the last lot you could tell were just made up of whatever they could find to press into a pill - i think you stand more chance of getting fucked up on them these days than you did back in the 90's.
oi oi daveyboy!! hope you and the misus are ok with ya on the quality but! i was gurning last week and stomping like i used to pmsl only lasted an hour tho remeber in the day 12 hours eyes rollin, o.b.e,s i had one of them man was an awesome trip seein yasel danceing from another view white dove that was reeeeeeeeeeeeewind and come again rave scene lol nah serious a drink and a few biftaz will do for me now on a beach under a coconut tree bein served by the lilt man, on the subject of e,s have they affect me nah pmsl
thier was actually some study recently showing NO lasting damage at all i know some casulties of the scene tho but that was more the speed and acid that took its toll
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i was into the rave scene from 92 to 2003 and did them all pills fet etc and i havnt turned into a maniac and to be honest i miss doing em, to me the most destructive drug is alchohol, look at our towns on fridays and saturday nights total chaos, how many blokes go home after too many beves and kick the shit out of there other half, cant remember doing that on gear and how many crack up due to alchohol abuse, they would be figures id like to know.
Makes me laugh how many peeps will slag drug takers but think nothing off downing 12 pints in a night and thinks thats ok as its a drug that the government can tax
Makes me laugh how many peeps will slag drug takers but think nothing off downing 12 pints in a night and thinks thats ok as its a drug that the government can tax