R&B Motorsport Adjustable Top Mounts
24-02-2008, 10:19 AM
#44
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These are a very well built item,
but i do agree with the thoughts about the car hanging on these, rather that the car sitting on the shock.
Martin, i cut out a 115mm diameter hole for the fitment of these to Ben's car. (less than in the pic of yours)
Its then bolted with 6x m10 allenkey bolts from under the turret. with 2 tapper washers on each (but only 15mm diameter washers to spread the load per bolt) and i woulds of like to see a complete ring load bearing washer plate that all the bolts go thro.
The actual turret bolts are not the weak point in my eye's, its the 4 fixing bolts on the adjuster.
But i feel these will work, but only time and testing will tell.
but i do agree with the thoughts about the car hanging on these, rather that the car sitting on the shock.
Martin, i cut out a 115mm diameter hole for the fitment of these to Ben's car. (less than in the pic of yours)
Its then bolted with 6x m10 allenkey bolts from under the turret. with 2 tapper washers on each (but only 15mm diameter washers to spread the load per bolt) and i woulds of like to see a complete ring load bearing washer plate that all the bolts go thro.
The actual turret bolts are not the weak point in my eye's, its the 4 fixing bolts on the adjuster.
But i feel these will work, but only time and testing will tell.
24-02-2008, 10:23 AM
#46
There are 2 plates.
The weight going up the shock goes into the centre one, this then transfer load by pressing up into the outer one (nothing to do with the 2 bolts holding it, they are NOT load bearing), so far so good
This outer one though, is ONLY held on by the 4 bolts in the corner of it.
24-02-2008, 10:24 AM
#48
Chip dont talk about what you dont know how the fuck are they holding the car they are the adjuster you DICK 
all they do is move the shocks left to right!!
jay thats why i call him DICK and not Chip coz he allways put his mouth in motion before putting his brain in gear!
all they do is move the shocks left to right!!jay thats why i call him DICK and not Chip coz he allways put his mouth in motion before putting his brain in gear!
Is it bolted up from underneath?
Get some pics up of it that are actually clearer if you think people are mistaking how they go together, preferabley showing all the bits in the kit.
It certainly APPEARS like only those 4 bolts are load bearing, as there is no other hint of anything holding the top down.
Is it a case of the hole arrangement is hold on with bolts up from underneath, if so then its those bolts holding all the weight, so still the same issue essentially!
Are the "6 bolts" you refer to not visible in the pictures?
Last edited by Chip; 24-02-2008 at 10:29 AM.
24-02-2008, 10:33 AM
#50
Its constructive criticism don't take it to heart, I don't think anyone wants to take the piss just for the sake of it. Passion Ford is good for stuff like this as most arent sheep and will say what they think good or bad, which is good because differing opinions get aired and possible failures can be averted.
Just my take on it..
Martin.
24-02-2008, 10:38 AM
#51
PassionFord Post Whore!!
Also please put into prespective,
a Yb engine is hangine with 4x m12 bolts, plus the 4x m8's @ the gear box in total.
So 8x m10 is no that bad.
Like i said, i believe these will work fine, even tho there is improvements that could be made, but time will tell. ie, m12 fixings, turret washer.
But they are very well built,
The best by a mile, in the way they are adjustable.
a Yb engine is hangine with 4x m12 bolts, plus the 4x m8's @ the gear box in total.
So 8x m10 is no that bad.
Like i said, i believe these will work fine, even tho there is improvements that could be made, but time will tell. ie, m12 fixings, turret washer.
But they are very well built,
The best by a mile, in the way they are adjustable.
24-02-2008, 10:41 AM
#53
Also please put into prespective,
a Yb engine is bolted with 4x m12 bolts, plus the 4x m8's @ the gear box.
So 8x m10 is no that bad.
Like i said, i believe these will work fine, even tho there is improvements that could be made, but time will tell. ie, m12 fixings, turret washer.
But they are very well built,
The best by a mile, in the way they are adjustable.
a Yb engine is bolted with 4x m12 bolts, plus the 4x m8's @ the gear box.
So 8x m10 is no that bad.
Like i said, i believe these will work fine, even tho there is improvements that could be made, but time will tell. ie, m12 fixings, turret washer.
But they are very well built,
The best by a mile, in the way they are adjustable.
If those bolts come undone, it doesnt generally kill you, and if you whack a pothole, you dont get an enormous shockload going through those bolts!
24-02-2008, 10:43 AM
#55
Ah, apologies for missing that bit, as I said to jay, I was only explaining how it APPEARED to be held together, TBH though, that sounds even more scarey, as surely that means if anyone ever over tightens those threads (easily done in ally!) there could potentially be VERY little strength in the join!
24-02-2008, 10:43 AM
#56
PassionFord Post Whore!!
So if the engine drop's out, you wont crash?
Ok the shock loads are not as great, but there still is alot of stress there.
24-02-2008, 10:46 AM
#59
DEYTUKURJERBS
the design is curious, i gotta say, but how they stand up to things i dont know, wouldnt say bolts actually coming undone is an issue unless it was installed wrong tho, same as any other bolts on the car.
reason gatecrasher got mardy tho wasnt because people were saying they poo, im sure he could take constructive criticism, it was the certain style of posting, talking to him like he a fucking spaz, rather than just explaining in a polite manor.
reason gatecrasher got mardy tho wasnt because people were saying they poo, im sure he could take constructive criticism, it was the certain style of posting, talking to him like he a fucking spaz, rather than just explaining in a polite manor.
24-02-2008, 10:50 AM
#61
Ben,
Its constructive criticism don't take it to heart, I don't think anyone wants to take the piss just for the sake of it. Passion Ford is good for stuff like this as most arent sheep and will say what they think good or bad, which is good because differing opinions get aired and possible failures can be averted.
Just my take on it..
Martin.
Its constructive criticism don't take it to heart, I don't think anyone wants to take the piss just for the sake of it. Passion Ford is good for stuff like this as most arent sheep and will say what they think good or bad, which is good because differing opinions get aired and possible failures can be averted.
Just my take on it..
Martin.
yeh please carry on ben with pics ect this is how we learn mate and im trying to get to grips with suspension setups
24-02-2008, 10:53 AM
#64
Well ive learnt they bolt up with 6 bolts from underneath into ally threads.
Which is actually WORSE imho than when I thought the adjuster bolts went right through into some sort of ring underneath and had steel nuts with nylocks on them!
I bet in years to come when these have been on and off a few times and the threads get knackered, it will be relatively common to see them fail!
Which is actually WORSE imho than when I thought the adjuster bolts went right through into some sort of ring underneath and had steel nuts with nylocks on them!
I bet in years to come when these have been on and off a few times and the threads get knackered, it will be relatively common to see them fail!
Last edited by Chip; 24-02-2008 at 10:56 AM.
24-02-2008, 10:59 AM
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Can anyone explain what advantage that setup has over say decent coilovers on a track car?Do the extra adjustments make any difference to your car that a non pro would benefit from?
24-02-2008, 11:01 AM
#67
Adjusting the caster in particular can have a big effect on how the car feels, and especially to how it turns into a corner (as you turn the wheel, the caster effects the camber), also how much the steering "self corrects" which is useful to the drifty lads in partiuclar.
24-02-2008, 11:23 AM
#69
when mike originally posted about these i said i didnt like them and nor would i want them, as for this 'mounted on the top' shit 
ford wasnt too bothered about it - only they put a little more thought into it - steel tops ! as used on all WRC escorts
ford wasnt too bothered about it - only they put a little more thought into it - steel tops ! as used on all WRC escorts
24-02-2008, 01:09 PM
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I'd say that was a early GRPA?? The late WRC bays where loads different with things like active diffs, EGR, Siamese injectors, YBP plenum cover, twin airs, different airbox, different turbo. Cool looking bay thou
24-02-2008, 05:28 PM
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