Why oh WHY are you ringing round hoping to get a lower price than £500

Just forget it mate.......

 

i have just fitted a 1800 to my van, and all the faffing around sourcing the parts you need to do the conversion is murder! buy a RST and lump the rest on insurance!

 

Probably for he same reason he runs around on chopped springs and undeclared engine conversions

 

im not hoping to get a conversion done for less than 500 but ringing around just to see how much more it would be at other places....

 

Why bother? You are wasting their time unless you want to pay more....

 

i havnt got a money issue i just want to shop about abit first...

at the end of the day i dont want to spend thousands on a mk4 track toy....i would i wanted to but i just dont as its just abit of fun

 

There is nothing that is track toy about a mk4 with a rotten floor on chopped springs with a bolt in cage.


Prepare the shell first then the suspension/brakes/tyres, then learn to drive on track


then only when u can make use of the power is it worth upgrading

 

500 sounds a bargain really.. been thinking if putting a zetec in my '3i but for 500.. and cos im a lazy cunt i reckon i would let someone else do it for me..

would a 1.8 mondeo be alright to use? cos i can get complete cars for pennies or would i be better off getting a zetec 3i/2i ?

 

You still need parts from a 1.8 escort and rs1800 to make it work properly

 

So take up the offer of £500, the cheapest offer yet

 

lmao...

the car isnt going anywhere!!!! please let that sink into your head!

im sorting some springs out shortly, chap is coming to do the welding one of the weekends....once ive decided what engine etc to go for then il get that done....

first of all im selling my daily runner and buying a different car...

the car isnt going anywhere so please stop chatting shite to me about chopped springs etc as it was only on the road for about a week with chopped springs and then i took it off to start doing it all...

 

Listen to people who have been there and done it, if you want a cheap track toy don't fuck around swapping engines etc, just buy a car that has the engine you want in it already. For £1000 you can pick up a scruffy but decent RST, and it will be ready to go near enough. Why struggle to put in an engine that has LESS power than a std RST with a filter and 'zorst in the first place?

plus if you break anything it's a pain in the arse having to get bespoke parts again, just buy a cheap car, you can get a Mk5 RS 2000 for wel under £1000, and they are fantastic cars out of the box and very very reliable, have all RS spec suspension, 150BHP and everything else to match it.

Don't take this as me having a dig, but be smart with your money, don't try and flog a dead horse of a car, I have done as have many others, it will cost you at LEAST twice what you are budgeting, if not more Trust me on this one.

There are loads and loads of great cheap track car bases out there for well under £1000

 

to be honest i wanted to build it for a grand...

but i dont think im going to be able to get a zetec fitted and still keep it in budget so the only thing im going to be able to do is put a 1.6cvh in as i can do this myself and pick a donor car up pretti cheap.....

i just love mk4 base models thats the reason i want to build one, otherwise i would have just brought a stripped xr2i/rs1800 track car, as can pick them up for less than a grand!

 

no way your going to build a mk4 escort track car with a zetec in it for 1k mate

why not just go get a 1.6 cvh xr3i and put your std bumpers on it and take the spoiler off

put your cage in it etc, got the xr3i with the looks of a bonus and you can do that for 1k with some extras, like springs and exhaust etc

 

Right, here's what you need, heres what you get...

Donor car, you want to be a 130spec XR3i / Orion Si 130 / Fiesta RS1800. And you'll need a 105spec flywheel, clutch to suit spec.

OR any 1800 fiesta or escort, ghia, LX, etc. You can buy 130 spec cams, TB and ecu if you want to upgrade. might be cheaper this way, if having trouble finding 130spec to start with.

If going 2 litre. 2 litre bare engine, injectors, TB, pre PATS ecu and full car loom.
1.8 escort or fiesta sump, waterpump, gearbox sandwich plate thing, over the top "efi" inlet - not that plastic shit, 105 spec flywheel, clutch to fit spec, some water pipes. Probly best to use a donor car from the above list just minus engine and injectors, loom and ecu which you could sell on as a package for 1.8 conversions....

Little bits and bobs including custom length alt belt, mini fuse box for lambda, ecu, coilpack... hose reducers and T-peice, solder, heatshrink, tape, Welding wire cutting disk, K&N cos you can't fit airbox. etc etc

You need to cut the downpipe just pre cat, make it fit your existing system, possibly make another hanger to keep it tight to the car as I have done on mine since ford fair 2006

You use a mixture of the donor car and the receiver car's water pipes, build a fully enclosed engine management loom, hook it up to live, switched live, earth, rev counter (efi clocks), water temp guage sender needs earthing/swapping.

Refabricate the top engine mount using CVH item.

Either the 130spec 1.8 or the 2.0 when fitted, with K&N, less cat, less EGR should make around 145 bhp. 1.8 is a bit more straightforward conversion and revs really nice too. I wouldn't do the 2litre for the same price.

Besides from the labour, you're getting consumables, an oil change, custom length alt belt (that took ages to find the right one in the first place), and most importantly you know it's gona run. Well worth 500 quid IMO! You could and probably would spend weeks on it yourself if you've never done similar before. Cos it is a conversion, there are different ways and different approaches to some of the steps, you want someone who has done it before, and has a proven method.

My mate's got a unit on our local ind estate, if you're still uhming and ahhing in a couple of weeks - I'm not far from you, just bring it and I'll do it.

 

and it took me so long to type that, that he's gone off the idea. haha

 

£500 is cheap for labour i would do it drive in drive out for £1000 not a pennyless thats me supplying parts etc but why you want to put a zetec in is beyond me a straight forward n/a zetec is crap imo ive done it in a fez and it was wank slow

 

"Can anyone fit me a 600bhp YB lump in my mk1 fiesta if I buy you a big mac? you get the lump and you take my current one out"

"YEAH! I'll do it for a big mac meal..."

"no, i only said i'd pay for 1 big mac, not a meal"

 

Sit down and think it through..... tot up all the bits you need, add 20% for stuff you take for grated, then double it........ And it will still end up costing you more.

 

chuck in a double cheeseburger and i might talk to you

 

no, i want to build it for the cost of a sweet and sour dip. £1.19 is beyond my budget.

 

so, so true.

same with working on a car. if you think a job will take 1 hour, it will usually take 3 after snapping a bolt, or not having the right equipment, or noticing your ratchet has a hole similar to a vagina and having to run in the house hiding a semi, only to flog the bastard until it's sick in the porch.

ahem.

 

for £500 thats a bargin

 

problem with this conversion is that it's equivalent to replacing a 1.0 fiat panda's engine with a 1.1 fiat chiquichento sporting engine.

both are about as quick as a sleeping, down syndrome, unconcious turtle.

 

Martin

Can you please....just to humor us and prove to him what EVERYONE is saying............... give him a rough price for what you would charge (if you could be arsed) to do this for him.......

 

Soooooo true!

Seriously id listen carefully to this advice mate.

 

i realy am listening....and greatful of some of the advice im getting...

but i could zetec it for 500 and still keep it at the budget price if i do it myself its the labour thats going to take the price over what i want to pay...but i just dont want the hassel, as i just want the car done asap so i can get out and drive it.

im just going to do abit of homework, ring around and see whats the best thing to do...

 

mate

sexr3i as mentioned above will do it for you
i can vouch for his work, he helped me do mine, done his own on his car and a few others

he does a lot of work on my car for me aswell, and i only trust a selected few to do work on my cossie

 

maybe its worth putting your insurance company on top of the call list and seeing how much it'l affect your premium and if they will still insure it then if you can afford to do that, then get a quote for the conversion

 

Unfortunately you sort of stuck there as you only have 2 options....... well 3 if you want to be picky.

1) Pay up, look big, and get a proper car.

2) Do it on the cheap (and i use the term very loosely) by doing ALL the work yourself, and potentially end up with a death trap.

3) Bin off the whole idea until you really can afford it.

 

Jay..

don't forget to have enough money spare for decent tires, brakes, fuel, brake pads/discs and ofcourse the track day itself which is going to cost well in excess of £120 a day!!

 

i have got abit of money tho, i just dont want to waste it like i did on my green bonus turbo...that conversion cost me 1500quid...in and out conversion (efi, t3, full scorpion exhaust, piper filter) thats what i payed a little extra for....

if i realy did want to pay it for a zetec conversion i would but i just want to shop about abit first....

what would be great if i could keep the car here, find someone local who could help me out on the weekends etc....

then i would save labour cost, gain experience doing the conversion and also make a new friend!

 

are you not reading my posts ffs

ive said thers people willing to help you out and have done it before

but

no one is going to do it for free, especiallytravel to your location without being paid fuel etc, so its easier to take the car to them and you do the travelling to the car to see or help whats going on

read the god dam posts of people who have been trying to offer there help

or you can go back to the garage where you had your biodge job of a turbo fitted

choice is yours mate

 

thing is when you do the likes of this engine conversion yourself, you make the mistakes that someone else wouldnt, and it will end up costing you more than the £500 anyway!

cant believe someone's scratting around for £500 wasting everybodys time saying "i want it cheaper" etc

£500 is the least of your worries with this conversion, if your having to raid down the back of the sofa for that, then the jobs well and truly fucked.

lol!

 

Is it fuck, it's like replacing a 105bhp cvh with a 145bhp zetec. Nice useable reliable smooth power. Not gona eat gearboxes, won't need setting up every weekend and won't cost the earth if it goes wrong (which it probably won't). I had great fun in mine. You can hammer it everywhere.

Of course more power is available, but it depends on budget and what you want, and problems you anticipate having with it, and if you mind having it off the road half the time fixing/upgrading it.
I've got a zetec turbo in mine now on aftermarket management and I know for a fact it's gona need another gearbox, I'm gona turn the boost up, need a bigger cooler, need a better clutch, take the engine out, may as well do this, do that, management can run ALS, get a better turbo...

Should have left it alone, fun weekend car that always fired up, always ran sweet, always got ragged and always got me home, smiling.

 

im putting an xr3i 130 in my bonus and its the best idea and if you can get it fitted wired and running for 500 get it done but your asking them to take 2 engines out and then do a conversion thats at least 3 days work

 

the engine is coming out the weekend if ive got time...

then im going to try and source a donor car, and going to fit the engine myself (with help from a few friends), hopefully my mate can modify the engine mount for me so atleast i can get it sitting nicely...

and then il got from there atleast then if i do take it to someone at this point its saved me a fair bit of money...

 

take it you got my pm mate?

Its really not too difficult if your mechanically minded, a bit more work than a cvh conversion but nothin hard!

you could zetec and track a mk4 escort for a lot less than a grand easily......

mine ended up costing about £650 max and that was a 2.0 zetec with RST box

 

i did get your pms mate, and its helped alot....

just pm'd you back

 

i'll do it all in for £300. and a hand job.