col cos1

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so does the sib one defo not come with this remote block and is it needed

sorry for ignorance not quite getting this part of it mike

Mike Rainbird

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Why are you asking me about someone elses plenum? I have no idea on what it comes with or how the design was arrived at .

kjc300

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Are they still 3 weeks wait Mike??

Mike Rainbird

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4x4 one on shelf (in Sweden) ready to rock and roll .

Chip

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Its got those bits built into it rather than on a remote block IIRC, like on the original RS500 manifold etc.

Mike Rainbird

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The original one doesn't have them underneath though....

mk3cosworth

mike do u sell the remote part seperate if so how much and do all the pressures run the same as directly off the manifold, no delays etc, like someone said early

cheers wenny

JTECH James

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i will be having one very soon mike,so get some more made

Mike Rainbird

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Yes, will have to find out price though. Sold one seperately a few years ago that was used in a VW Golf turbo arrangement .

If the pressures are different, that would mean that the MAP sensor and boost gauge mounted all that distance away are reading wrong .

No probs .

JTECH James

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the delay comes from hose length.keep the remote unit close on a short hose,you will have no more delay than with a std map sensor hose....

and if thats argueable....what about the delay when the hose is full of oil

mk3cosworth

ok mike get me a price

Jay,

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why are people worried about a delay to the map sensor when it's on a piece of tube aprrox 20 inches away from the original inlet in the first place

Chip

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No, it has them in the side of the plenum, are you under the impression that makes any noticeable difference?
And more importantly do you think it will make more different than yours which is both at the bottom and on the far end, which is about as far away from the rs500 location as you can possibly get, and thats before you then start piping it off to some remote location

And are you also forgetting that people will be having it mapped for wherever its sat anyway.


Or are you just trying to drop "dramatic" lines in about everyone elses plenums as a marketting tool for your own one that costs more than twice as much money, which as far I can see is NOT for any reason of increased quality, but purely cause there are more people involved each getting a cut along the way, and more postage involved, as thats kind of how it is coming across with all these "half answers" you are dropping in everywhere.

JTECH James

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they fill up with oil on the bottom

probably why cosworth didnt put them there.

of course it makes a noticable difference chip...our map sensors arnt hydraulic

mikes pick up is about an inch from the bottom,it picks up no oil.....


ive seen and used alot of these plenums....and im buying mikes for good reason,its the best one....

i also found the thin wall stainless ones suffer more heatsoak than alloy ones

Jay,

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i wasnt talking about oil thats obvious you just dont take the map sensor off the bottom feed there is different ways to setup the inlet rather than just off the bottom ifwho ever builds them thinks about it

JTECH James

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there is an official set length for the map hose iirc its 120mm....no longer

Chip

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Ah, good point, if thats the case then I now understand why thats an issue which I didnt before, so Ive managed to learn something there
Ive never had a plenum fill with oil thankfully, so not observed that myself, but can see why it might be an issue if yours does so.


You evidently havent seen the garage19 ones, as:
They have the outputs on the end, at a similar height to on mikes one
They are made of the same thickness ally as mikes ones

Chip

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Indeed, hardly a big deal to drill and tap the end where Mike's is if you really want it in that exact location.

JTECH James

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i know they are very similar to mikes...richie and trev have some on order,

but as soon as i saw mikes i could see its pure sex in the flesh and well thought out,im not scimping on something so important....

Jay,

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mikes is a very nice piece of kit but if you have no breather to the inlet and you still have oil in the inlet imo thats a sick yb that doin it or turbo for that matter

Mike Rainbird

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[Chip mode]Sorry, I assumed you could read, I didn't realise I had to spell out again what had already been written earlier in the post . Next time, I will qualify every statement I make just for the hard of reading .[/Chip mode]

There is a small extra cost to cover the carriage, but if you see what comes with the one I supply (I did take the time to list it afterall ), it is NOT just the plenum you get, hence the extra cost...

rapidcossie

Why are people worried about the position of the sensors and pipes?

I would be FAR more worried why I had oil in my plenum?

Mike Rainbird

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Euan,
It's only an issue for people that have their breather connected up to the induction system (which is supposed to be a legal requirement for emissions reasons ), and if the beather then dumps any oil into this, it gets ingested by the engine .

rapidcossie

silly people with breather into their engines

If that was the case I would be far more worried about the oil in the combustion chamber fucking the mixture and making it det than i would be about it being in the plenum

Chip

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Indeed, but if people want a plenum they can run full of oil anyway, then mike's is the one to go for

Mike, LOL @ "chip mode" but if YOU bothered to read it, you would see id already acknowledged understanding of the "oil problem" further up anyway

Chip

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Totally agree, absolutely insane to be pumping massive quantities of oil into your engine, especially on an old YB which breathes heavier than Mike down the phone to Harvey.

Mike Rainbird

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This is why it is recommended to remove the breather from the induction system, even though it is not strictly legal to do so....

Mike Rainbird

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I did, but despite you then acknowledging the reasoning for my comments, you didn't bother ammending your post to reflect this . So I thought I would reply how you would if it was anyone else saying that .

rapidcossie

Chip

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But what I did do was I instead posted after, "correcting" myself that if some muppet wants to run around with an inlet full of oil, then I can see the value in not wanting the map sensor full of it too.
I wasnt about to go back and edit the post where I was "wrong" as I figured that if people read that, then read trev explaining his problem to me, then me acknowleding it, it would be a FAR better learning tool for them, and highlight the breather issue better than if I went sneaking around editing my posts pretending not to have said something in "mike mode" , thats not my style at all, if I miss something im quite happy to have it pointed out to me, its all part of the learning process, even if all Im learning here is how silly some other people are with their engines breathers its still useful to me cause at some point I'll probably be helping someone out with their engine who has the same issues.

JTECH James

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jay, niether my turbo or engine were "sick" ive had two engines, and two turbos, both used less oil than cosworth said they should when NEW, and i covered over 30k with each engine.... neither of the engines smoked or gave any mechanical issues, at both would do 38mpg.

but over a period of 6000 miles or 3 months, at which point i would go over the car for a major service...there was always a TRACE of oil in the mainifold, maybe the reason was i was running the turbo to its absolute limit...but the problem exists, lots of other people suffer the same issue, and the fact is, nomatter how small an amount of oil is in the plenum...it WILL end up in the vaccum pipes, which is fookin crazy and a stupid design fault.

my breather works very well, and does not connect to the manifold in any way....



MAYBE the reason some of you dont have oil in your plenums is because you either drive like girls,or do about 25miles a year...... i do over 25K miles a year...and the car will do at least 130mph every day.

JTECH James

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whos the ?muppet?

col cos1

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euan you any idea how toms one compares to these

with regaurds to the issues mentioned

Jay,

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mabey so but mine has done 6k on this engine and it wasnt the best rebuild in history but alot of that millage was learning how to map which believe me its seen all sorts of abuse stripped my inlet down and no oil in it

rapidcossie

what issues Col?

col cos1

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where this block is mounted etc for oil contamination in the map sensor etc?its a bit over my head

mk3cosworth

lol im just welding a plate with the holes taped in on the end near the top of corse and removing the oil breather, that will do me

Chip

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Anyone running a turbo car on an oil/petrol mix which lowers the octane rating of the fuel

NEIL A

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Col the fittings are in the bottom of the AVA plenum but as said if the breather is piped up you shouldnt have oil ingress unless turbo seals go. On my plenum there is one take of at the top that is blanked, but if it get any problems can plum the map sensor into there,

Charlie Chalk

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Ok, I got a question about oil in plenums


I just took my inlet off recently to clean up while my gearbox is off, and the inner surface was lighty greased so to say, Should I be worried

No jokes either about it being a pulsar, Id like a straight answer please