cos front diff and running in
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firstly how tight do you do the input flange nut that clamps the bearing?(or whatever you want to call it) lock shafts up anf torque?
and also how do you guys run your engines in ie oil grade and changes, grind on the big ends and polished mains new rings. i normally just use chap oil for the first few hunderd miles and do about 800 miles but with this costing an abnormal amount id rather hear different views! cheers!
and also how do you guys run your engines in ie oil grade and changes, grind on the big ends and polished mains new rings. i normally just use chap oil for the first few hunderd miles and do about 800 miles but with this costing an abnormal amount id rather hear different views! cheers!
not sure what part of the diff your talking about??
As for running in a engine,
Heres a cut and paste of what i put on the other thread.
As for running in a engine,
Heres a cut and paste of what i put on the other thread.
Originally Posted by Fiecos Dan
After years of different systems, this is what i find runs a engine in best.
- Using standard 15-40 engine oil for 1000 miles,
- 1st 30 minutes between 2500-3000 rpm, making sure it dont overheat, whilst at different times, checking for leaks and odd behavior
- Always warm up gently, not idleing. and fueling to be 14.2-15.0:1 whilst running in @ idle and part throttle
- 0-50 miles, easy upto 3000rpm, changing the loads. no more than 25% throttle,
- Change oil.
- 50-200 miles, as above but to 3500rpm
- 200-300miles, 50% throttle, 4000 rpm, no boost.
- 300-400miles, as above but with boost
- 400-500miles, 50% throttle, 5000 rpm.
- oil change,
- 500-1000miles, full throttle, low boost setting, full RPM.
- 1000 + Full boost.
- Oil and filter change, semi if CVH, fully 10/50 if Cossie.
- Check all nuts and bolts since insulation
Job done
The above way, has given me best results on CVH's and YB's, going by compressions, leak down test's, and longtivity of the whole engine.
i've tried 1000,500 etc ect of ploding around (like most places say) and rings never bed in correctly.
- Using standard 15-40 engine oil for 1000 miles,
- 1st 30 minutes between 2500-3000 rpm, making sure it dont overheat, whilst at different times, checking for leaks and odd behavior
- Always warm up gently, not idleing. and fueling to be 14.2-15.0:1 whilst running in @ idle and part throttle
- 0-50 miles, easy upto 3000rpm, changing the loads. no more than 25% throttle,
- Change oil.
- 50-200 miles, as above but to 3500rpm
- 200-300miles, 50% throttle, 4000 rpm, no boost.
- 300-400miles, as above but with boost
- 400-500miles, 50% throttle, 5000 rpm.
- oil change,
- 500-1000miles, full throttle, low boost setting, full RPM.
- 1000 + Full boost.
- Oil and filter change, semi if CVH, fully 10/50 if Cossie.
- Check all nuts and bolts since insulation
Job done
The above way, has given me best results on CVH's and YB's, going by compressions, leak down test's, and longtivity of the whole engine.
i've tried 1000,500 etc ect of ploding around (like most places say) and rings never bed in correctly.
Originally Posted by Fiecos Dan
not sure what part of the diff your talking about??
As for running in a engine,
Heres a cut and paste of what i put on the other thread.
As for running in a engine,
Heres a cut and paste of what i put on the other thread.
Originally Posted by Fiecos Dan
After years of different systems, this is what i find runs a engine in best.
- Using standard 15-40 engine oil for 1000 miles,
- 1st 30 minutes between 2500-3000 rpm, making sure it dont overheat, whilst at different times, checking for leaks and odd behavior
- Always warm up gently, not idleing. and fueling to be 14.2-15.0:1 whilst running in @ idle and part throttle
- 0-50 miles, easy upto 3000rpm, changing the loads. no more than 25% throttle,
- Change oil.
- 50-200 miles, as above but to 3500rpm
- 200-300miles, 50% throttle, 4000 rpm, no boost.
- 300-400miles, as above but with boost
- 400-500miles, 50% throttle, 5000 rpm.
- oil change,
- 500-1000miles, full throttle, low boost setting, full RPM.
- 1000 + Full boost.
- Oil and filter change, semi if CVH, fully 10/50 if Cossie.
- Check all nuts and bolts since insulation
Job done
The above way, has given me best results on CVH's and YB's, going by compressions, leak down test's, and longtivity of the whole engine.
i've tried 1000,500 etc ect of ploding around (like most places say) and rings never bed in correctly.
- Using standard 15-40 engine oil for 1000 miles,
- 1st 30 minutes between 2500-3000 rpm, making sure it dont overheat, whilst at different times, checking for leaks and odd behavior
- Always warm up gently, not idleing. and fueling to be 14.2-15.0:1 whilst running in @ idle and part throttle
- 0-50 miles, easy upto 3000rpm, changing the loads. no more than 25% throttle,
- Change oil.
- 50-200 miles, as above but to 3500rpm
- 200-300miles, 50% throttle, 4000 rpm, no boost.
- 300-400miles, as above but with boost
- 400-500miles, 50% throttle, 5000 rpm.
- oil change,
- 500-1000miles, full throttle, low boost setting, full RPM.
- 1000 + Full boost.
- Oil and filter change, semi if CVH, fully 10/50 if Cossie.
- Check all nuts and bolts since insulation
Job done
The above way, has given me best results on CVH's and YB's, going by compressions, leak down test's, and longtivity of the whole engine.
i've tried 1000,500 etc ect of ploding around (like most places say) and rings never bed in correctly.
fook me - i couldnt be arsed with all the fooking around of that shit !
just use good quality engine oil (mineral) get the car running and up to temp - make sure everthing works, then change the oil and filter.
again good quality min oil - get on the road and dirve it to make sure nothing comes loose, no leaks and give it a bit of boost for 100 miles, change the oil and filter, again good min oil and let it have it.
if it breaks youve dont something wrong or you have used a substandard part - simple as.
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Mineral Oil and lots of load is the key to getting good sealing...
Just avoid high revs and dump the oil at 1000miles - swap to fully syth and fit a new filter - happy days
Just avoid high revs and dump the oil at 1000miles - swap to fully syth and fit a new filter - happy days
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Originally Posted by markk
fook me - i couldnt be arsed with all the fooking around of that shit !
Thats upto you.
but their isn't much to do in my list, and is worth it even on a 1k engine.
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Each to their own - but when i was at RC we regularly used to finish a car on a Friday afternoon, map it on a Friday night and have it at a dyno day on a Saturday doing 500+bhp ATW on running in oil
Those engines were great for well over 40,000 miles at that power
Those engines were great for well over 40,000 miles at that power
Originally Posted by Will @ M Developments
Each to their own - but when i was at RC we regularly used to finish a car on a Friday afternoon, map it on a Friday night and have it at a dyno day on a Saturday doing 500+bhp ATW on running in oil
Those engines were great for well over 40,000 miles at that power
Those engines were great for well over 40,000 miles at that power
ive been building engines forlonger than i care to remember now, and the worst units were th eones that people fooked about with for ages when 'running in'
if you have built it right, with the right parts then it takes no time at all to run in, all there is to bed in is the rings and camshafts and they do not take over 1000 miles to do this, we are talking less than hours in run time
Originally Posted by Fiecos Dan
Originally Posted by markk
fook me - i couldnt be arsed with all the fooking around of that shit !
Thats upto you.
but their isn't much to do in my list, and is worth it even on a 1k engine.
now they collected them from the dealer a few weeks later one saturday,on to the motorway and my good mate is travelling south at 65mph,8 miles from the dealer,running in as told,but,the other business partner has been held up getting on the motorway slightly,when he catches his partner up he is flat in 6th at about 175mph!!!
so partner A drops his blade 3 gears and is soon in hot pursuit at 175mph as well,8-10 miles running in, fook it!!thats enough.
both bikes went on to 20k miles with zero faults before they were traded in,one for a brand new 2001 spec R1 that got run in at 145 mph on the back wheel for 8 miles down the M6!!!!.
run them in as your going to treat them.
i remember in 1998 running my 748sp in on the limiter flat out up hartside passing two superbike ledgends who are both now dead,with everything scraping,got a mention in the mag that month as " knees down tim!" good times.
rip ronnie and gus,life will never be the same with out you,especially on the island in june boys.
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Originally Posted by NEEDFORSPEED
i still dont get how an engine is dynod / mapped before the running process??? 

I know of a certain F1 team (not Honda who i used to work for i might add) who used to flick Vim scouring powder into the inlet trumpets to aid the running in process - you could actually hear the engine note change
Originally Posted by NEEDFORSPEED
i still dont get how an engine is dynod / mapped before the running process??? 

Originally Posted by Will @ M Developments
Originally Posted by NEEDFORSPEED
i still dont get how an engine is dynod / mapped before the running process??? 

I know of a certain F1 team (not Honda who i used to work for i might add) who used to flick Vim scouring powder into the inlet trumpets to aid the running in process - you could actually hear the engine note change
Originally Posted by NEEDFORSPEED
some good replys! what about the front diff then?
As they are a 6mm allen key, you can only tighten so far.
so do it by feel, with abit of lock tight.
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From: st.annes, blackpool
yeah meant the main pinion nut cheers. it clamps the bearing tho just thought there would be a torque setting so not to over tighten it but your the man in the know so il just do that!
Originally Posted by NEEDFORSPEED
yeah meant the main pinion nut cheers. it clamps the bearing tho just thought there would be a torque setting so not to over tighten it but your the man in the know so il just do that! 

there will be special tools for locking it up and torquing but thats all i ever do
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