S1rst

Just wondered if any owners of the above could post what mpg their getting, preferably what you get on a motorway run if possible. Im thinking the M3 and M5 may be pretty similar?

Would probably be doing between 500-1000 miles per week so would be interesting to know what the differences are and how much would be saved with the diesel.

Would also be interested to hear what you get urban driving and combined and how much you do of each.

Cheers.

C4llyT

Got an older M3, but for those miles a 330D remapped would (obviously) give best mpg, and give the E46 M3 a hard time.
Be best motorway and overtaking car with all that torque.
Bmw are making some of the very best diesel engines lately.
At the least would be 15mpg difference from M3/5 to 330/530D, amount to a pretty penny on that mileage per week.

JjCoDeX75

If economy is your primary goal, then of the M cars, the M3 is waaaay better than the E39 M5 (trust me!!!)

Mine will do about 24mpg on a run, but the average tends to resort back to about 19-20 mpg. I spend quite a lot of time on big A roads and Mways, and I do a lot of miles also, so that will probably reflect your mileage.

My next door neighbour has an E46, and his on a run will do about 28-29 mpg! Totally not fair!! LOL

Mind you - mine is waaay more comfy!

JJ

Graceland

530d Sport with a MSD remap, currently seeing 44.8mpg all the time according to the on-board computer.

I get 600 miles to a tank in plain enlish

Rhys

with my 330d remaped i could get 50mpg on a run!!!! Amazing for a 3ltr.

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

But you can't spell

Steve.

Graceland

If spelling is such an issue, suck the letters out of my arse and re-arrange them to suit

cossie4i+

iTrader: (15)

No thanks

I can't spell either

Steve.

AlexF

Totally different cars to drive!!

You can't pick between them untill you have driven them IMO.

cozzymatt

on a decent run i get between 24-28 mpg, round town its down to 17-20...

S1rst

Really that low, i was sort of hoping that the M's would do over 30 on a run. , that way i could 'sort of' justify getting one over a diesel.

Looks like the M5 is certainly out of the question if it gets less than 25 on a run though.

So basing the 530d/330d on 45 mpg, then the M3 would use about 50% more than those, so as said that would be a big chunk of money over the year.

The diesels looking like the sensible option then, which i knew deep down anyway really and certainly sounds good with the re-map.

Graceland
Rhys

How much was the re-map and what sort of power and torque increases have you seen roughly? Also, has the re-map actually made it better on fuel now to when it was standard?

Cheers.

S1rst

Ive driven M3's and 330d/530d's mate, but not an M5. Of course id like an M3 or M5 over the diesels but doing big miles its obviously going to save me a big wedge of money, which seems the sensible option.

I was hoping the M's could see mid 30's really though.

JjCoDeX75

Don't underestimate the diesels - the 330d chipped is stunning!

JJ

S1rst

I know mate, ive driven standard ones and given them some stick and the diesels power and torque really suprised me.

Must go really well once re-mapped.

JjCoDeX75

My cousin has a chipped E90 330d, and it is as quick as his brothers 335i petrol!

Also, he tells me there is a turbo convesion available from the states that increases the power yet further!

Indecent mpg with proper power.

My only comment is that I would prefer the auto if diesel due to the utterly aggravating short gears that are required by diesel engines.

JJ

Rhys

Yes they are better on MPG when just cruising at normal speed! So nice cars, imo for everyday practical car i would say the 330d is better than M3. And imo look at auto, thats where im going next i think

vikingboy

e39 m5, long journeys 23mpg, around town 20ish.

Drunken Master

What sort of power does the 330d put out after a remap?

Rhys

if 184bhp gets arounf 230bhp if 204 can get 260bhp! Impresive for dirty derv

blacky.

get a B 10 lol all the fun of a M with better mpg & a bit of exclicivity

S3an

e46 M3, wid a couple of mods. running 345 bhp. on a run its showing 33mpg and pottering about it about 26/27 mpg.

C4llyT

Hmm, suppose you could get an M3 and LPG it - very good engine for it.
Then you'd effectively get the mpg of the diesel, if not a touch more on the motorway.

I'm leaning towards these 6 pot bmw diesels now, so much torque, and how often are you flat out in all the gears as opposed to one/two gears to overtake some dawdling twat - which is where diesel would be nicest.
Mileage to performance ratio is excellent on these.

Drunken Master

Thanks mate. Thats pretty impressive, are the facelift 330d's the 204bhp versions?

I still can't believe the E46 M3's do 30mpg. In all seriousness do they?

C4llyT

Course they can, good power to weight so effortless, and relatively frugal if driven gently.
Won't get much more of course as still a big engine to fuel, but not as bad as people seem to think.

S1rst

Thats not that bad really mate. Is that driving like a granny on the long run then or do you think you could get a bit more if you tried?

C4llyT, i was actually thinking of the LPG on an M5 or M3 earlier. Im not sure how well it would work on performance cars like these, or even if its possible, but it would certsinly be good to have decent performance AND economy!

TIFF

Same here........................Same maps too

S1rst

TIFF, who did your re-map mate and how much was it if you dont mind me asking, and also what power/torque increases did you see?

xr2i-carl

+1

i got roaded 310bhp at the weekend stock (335d, 3.0 twin turbo diesel) . RE-map tomorrow

i give E39 M5 and E46 m3's a hard time now with 445ib ft, cant wait till tomorrow

C4llyT

Depends if you listen to the experts, or the uninformed....

The M3's with high PCP's (peak cylinder pressures) are better suited than your average power output shopping trolley car for LPG.
Someone on here has one.

For real world performance I'd have the diesel.
I've an older M3, and flat out it doesn't hang about, but for overtaking compared to a remapped 330d you'd have to be above 5000 revs, or squeeze the throttle a bit at 2000 in the diesel.
Look what Carl has posted - was a vid on youtube of an M3 Vs 330d, dunno if still about, but nothing much in it.
Be nicer car to do a lot of miles in I'd think.

Followed one the other day on a 60mph A road, overtook the car in front in about a tenth of a second, was mindblowingly quick, never seen anything like that.
Really are the kings of overtaking, which these days with cunts doing 40mph everywhere, is what you need

xr2i-carl

and does a late 13 sec quarter stock, capable of a mid 13 stock if conditions and my 60ft was better!!


Midrange is unbelievable!

Will let you know after the re-map tomorrow how she goes

S1rst

C4llyT, definatly worth looking into in more detail then.

xr2i-carl, that sounds very impressive!


Regarding the diesels, does anyone know the change over years when it went 184bhp to 204bhp, both on the 530d and the 330d?

Cheers

C4llyT

Late 13 stock?
My E36 M3 with the wind behind it and perfect launch would just get in the 13's

xr2i-carl

with auto, (but steptronic and paddles) with a slow 60ft i did a 13.90 @102mph

beat a CSL that day to, was a slow day i feel. was very hot and i did no tyre warming (also worth noting she only had 3k then, diesels loosen up and get quicker after some miles)

definately a mid 13 stock in there, but wont ever know now as getting re-mapped tomoz

C4llyT

With these sorts of diesels about it's a no brainer a lot of the time now....

S1rst - Parkers has some info, other than that not sure

S3an

driving at about 80/90 ish.

im sure i read some where that the m3 runs a closed loop system like stu developed as standard, not 100% on that though

its not all about economy i think just look at the look of the M3 out of the box. gorgeus looking piece of kit.

C4llyT

Closed loop has been mandatory for over 10 years

PhilM

Whats a 330d remapped like to drive? Have driven a standard one and tbh was quite impressed, so much so I'm thinking of buying one....but what would it be like after a remap?

It's between that and getting something 2ltr 4x4 turbo (Probably a Scoob Legacy B4 RSK).....I guess the scoob would be more fun, but the BMW the better car?!

Rhys

ONe word Awesome!


Refined easy power thats just effortless!

Think they change to 204bhp around 2003 mate.

xr2i-carl

anyone know anything about BMW fault codes?

Physio

Should have taken it to a proper mapper