Accidental drift
25-11-2007, 11:19 PM
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Accidental drift
I didnt realise you could get a standard FWD hot hatch so sideways and recover it safely, I found out yesterday by accident that you can 
Never had a car proper sideways before mainly due to never having anything RWD, but I'm surprised its pretty much the same to control and correct as RWD (and thankful!)
Basically it was damp and I was doing 75 in 4th on a private (genuinely!!) 2 lane service road, I turned in and it started to go round as I knew it would then all of a sudden the back end just snapped, so with all 4 tyres squealing and having to look out the side window to see where I was going
I didnt really have time to think of much except floor it, I suppose if I was expecting it I could of changed down to 3rd but luckily there was enough power in 4th to keep it sideways until it slowed down enough to straighten itself out with the front wheels spinning. I can now see the attraction of having a bash at drifting and want a go proper.
So as soon as I have a job I'm going to look out for something cheap to pinball off the curbs/walls/hedges around here and have a go at learning how to do it, bring on the streeto 
Never had a car proper sideways before mainly due to never having anything RWD, but I'm surprised its pretty much the same to control and correct as RWD (and thankful!)
Basically it was damp and I was doing 75 in 4th on a private (genuinely!!) 2 lane service road, I turned in and it started to go round as I knew it would then all of a sudden the back end just snapped, so with all 4 tyres squealing and having to look out the side window to see where I was going
I didnt really have time to think of much except floor it, I suppose if I was expecting it I could of changed down to 3rd but luckily there was enough power in 4th to keep it sideways until it slowed down enough to straighten itself out with the front wheels spinning. I can now see the attraction of having a bash at drifting and want a go proper.So as soon as I have a job I'm going to look out for something cheap to pinball off the curbs/walls/hedges around here and have a go at learning how to do it, bring on the streeto
25-11-2007, 11:37 PM
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yeah no worries mate, but its slightly different when you're learning something as you start slow usually, I wont be pinballing of anything at speeds like 75 (hopefully ) yesterday was just a total fluke, theres no way I'm going to jump in a RWD car and expect to start learning at anywhere near speeds like that, although I'd also be daft not expect to not hit stuff whilst learning 
) yesterday was just a total fluke, theres no way I'm going to jump in a RWD car and expect to start learning at anywhere near speeds like that, although I'd also be daft not expect to not hit stuff whilst learning
25-11-2007, 11:42 PM
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Unfortunatly, the only way to learn really is to push too far, which means spins etc and if your on the road, crashes.
If you never or rarely do, your not pushing very hard, which means you wont learn fuck all.
IMO its actually cheaper (due to not have to keep paying to sort out smashed bits) to shell out for practice days.
80quid and hours and hours of decent practice time is better VFM than what 80quid will get you on the road, which is a bit of petrol, a few crappy roundabouts, and the repair to your bent steering/suspension arms.
And this is talking from experience.
Streets ok for dicking about on when you better, but for learning, its not really VFM.
If you never or rarely do, your not pushing very hard, which means you wont learn fuck all.
IMO its actually cheaper (due to not have to keep paying to sort out smashed bits) to shell out for practice days.
80quid and hours and hours of decent practice time is better VFM than what 80quid will get you on the road, which is a bit of petrol, a few crappy roundabouts, and the repair to your bent steering/suspension arms.
And this is talking from experience.
Streets ok for dicking about on when you better, but for learning, its not really VFM.
25-11-2007, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenpenalver
big difference is in FWD you can boot it to recover the slide where as RWD boot it and youll end up in a bigger slide and probably pointing the wrong way down the road
before going through a hedge backwards or into someones front garden backwards
before going through a hedge backwards or into someones front garden backwards
sounds good Steve, do you know if they run any practice days in the midlands or up north at all?
25-11-2007, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt J
So you dont use the power to control a drift/slide at all in a RWD car?
Originally Posted by Matt J
sounds good Steve, do you know if they run any practice days in the midlands or up north at all?
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26-11-2007, 12:04 AM
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You back off sharp in a RWD and it will snap back fast, usually too fast, meaning you fishtail and crash.
Best thing to do if you just want to get it back straight is let off, but not so violently.
Keeping your boot right in will keep it oversteering more and more and you will prob just spin and crash no matter how much steering lock you got, just as bad as letting off sharp.
Its all a fine balance, depending what you trying to do and the car itself.
Best thing to do if you just want to get it back straight is let off, but not so violently.
Keeping your boot right in will keep it oversteering more and more and you will prob just spin and crash no matter how much steering lock you got, just as bad as letting off sharp.
Its all a fine balance, depending what you trying to do and the car itself.
26-11-2007, 04:05 AM
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-think of it this way...
FWD-the drive wheels are PULLING the car
RWD-the drive wheels are PUSHING the car
-lift throttle oversteer is pretty crazy in a FWD, just mash the gas pedal and the car WILL recover....provided you have enough space/road.
always looked up to the late 90's Jr. WRC drivers....high powered FWD's are a handful at high speeds and some were just as quick as the full WRC cars on tarmac, some topped the stage times beating the full works cars. the older pugs before they were AWD and the suzuki's.
FWD-the drive wheels are PULLING the car
RWD-the drive wheels are PUSHING the car
-lift throttle oversteer is pretty crazy in a FWD, just mash the gas pedal and the car WILL recover....provided you have enough space/road.
always looked up to the late 90's Jr. WRC drivers....high powered FWD's are a handful at high speeds and some were just as quick as the full WRC cars on tarmac, some topped the stage times beating the full works cars. the older pugs before they were AWD and the suzuki's.
26-11-2007, 09:49 AM
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it's all about the weight transfer
what happened to you in fwd was that by putting on the gas you transfer weight backwards to let the rear tyres grip again (as well as the front wheels pulling it all back in line)
what happened to you in fwd was that by putting on the gas you transfer weight backwards to let the rear tyres grip again (as well as the front wheels pulling it all back in line)
26-11-2007, 09:53 AM
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i think he was just lucky
going sideways and lifting off generally provokes lift off understeer (also kown as having the wheels turning into the slide and then finding you've suddenyl got more grip than talent) and you go hurtling into the nearest thing on your passenger side, normally head on
i've had a few "experiences" with sideways out on the real roads and its deffo something i don't want to do again in a hurry, there is just too much street furniture out there for it to all go horribly wrong unless you are on a deserted roundabout, in the wet, with no armco and a grass verge all around
but this drifting lark every weekend sounds like it's going to be fun, is there somewhere i can get some more info about this?
and steve, is this twin cam sierra thing still in the pipeline?
going sideways and lifting off generally provokes lift off understeer (also kown as having the wheels turning into the slide and then finding you've suddenyl got more grip than talent) and you go hurtling into the nearest thing on your passenger side, normally head on
i've had a few "experiences" with sideways out on the real roads and its deffo something i don't want to do again in a hurry, there is just too much street furniture out there for it to all go horribly wrong unless you are on a deserted roundabout, in the wet, with no armco and a grass verge all around
but this drifting lark every weekend sounds like it's going to be fun, is there somewhere i can get some more info about this?
and steve, is this twin cam sierra thing still in the pipeline?
26-11-2007, 10:07 AM
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26-11-2007, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dojj
but this drifting lark every weekend sounds like it's going to be fun, is there somewhere i can get some more info about this?
and steve, is this twin cam sierra thing still in the pipeline?
and steve, is this twin cam sierra thing still in the pipeline?
sierra thing is still possible, not much happened on it lately, if you want to use a twinc sierra for drifting, just use one, dont need a series just for em.
a 24valve 3door Sierra won a decent qualiy drift quality competition in the UK on sunday too, proof that they perfectly capable.
in the right hands
26-11-2007, 10:43 AM
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www.TrampDrift.com and www.driftworks.com
these are the only two drifting sites you will need in th UK!
these are the only two drifting sites you will need in th UK!
26-11-2007, 11:14 AM
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i've got hold of an old smoker (well, mot failure that won't look pretty if it's fixed) that is more than likely going to get the 24V treatment but just wanted to know what was needed in order to get drifitng
can you just trailer a car there and let rip or do you need to have proper classes for learners of is it a rwyb type event or does it vary over the different places?
also, do you need to have insurance incase tyou twat soemthing?
can you just trailer a car there and let rip or do you need to have proper classes for learners of is it a rwyb type event or does it vary over the different places?
also, do you need to have insurance incase tyou twat soemthing?
26-11-2007, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dojj
i've got hold of an old smoker (well, mot failure that won't look pretty if it's fixed) that is more than likely going to get the 24V treatment but just wanted to know what was needed in order to get drifitng
?
?
aside from that, weld the diff, fit a drivers bucket, and drive.
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can you just trailer a car there and let rip or do you need to have proper classes for learners of is it a rwyb type event or does it vary over the different places?
depends where you go, but they have beginners days, more advanced days, or mixed days.
always new people at all of them, of all ages, nobody minds at all, people are happy to help if want.
DWYB days at the pod are a good place to start...
www.dwyb.co.uk/
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also, do you need to have insurance incase tyou twat soemthing?
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