RS craig 71

Heard there is a thread about 'Engine Advantages' (based in witham) on here but can't find it, tried searching but came up with nothing. I heard from another site that they weren't reliable but I haven't had a problem with them as they have set up my cossie. Does anyone else use them?

Thanks for any help.

RWD_cossie_wil

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does your car use a lot of fuel by any chance?

RS craig 71

No, not more than a cossie should, why do you ask?

RWD_cossie_wil

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define "than a cossie should" ? what spec you running and what mpg you getting?

rapidcossie

heard a few horror stories from EA

pm ianm500cos

RS craig 71

I think it is about 28mpg. It is at stage 3 tuning, 320bhp 20psi. It's a bit hard to get an exact figure as it is not an everyday car plus nobody really has a cossie for economy!

RS craig 71

cheers rapidcossie, can you give any details on these horror stories?

RWD_cossie_wil

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No point PM'ing him, they FUCKED his engine, and anyone who can fit an external wastegate to 1/2" bore EGR recirculation pipes, and expect it to control the boost must be fucking thick, fuck knows how they got a job at mount-tune ..... Worst thing was even though they were BLATENTLY responsible, even with data logged proof ( T6 ecu ) , and another EXPERT tuners opinion, and evidence of a WRC map just being "copied and pasted" into the ecu and tweeked a bit, they STILL denied responsibility and payed nothing towards a very very expensive engine that threw a rod through the block in a few miles of being "mapped" ...... disgraceful IMHO, especially as Ian put fucking loads of buisness thier way, me and a few mates included.......

Personally I would use a company that is 110% honest and trustworthy, I use MSD but Ian cannot speak highly enough of Harvey at SCS.

cossiedave

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had no probs with paul went there monday to have my map done on cruise, as it was all over the place, when harvey and amid dinoed my engine about ian he wont tell any one what really happend

RWD_cossie_wil

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Go on then, fill us all in.......

cossiedave

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he use to speak highly of paul as well till his car went bang . not saying anything as he,s a very good friend and dont wont to spoil it

RWD_cossie_wil

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I know Ian very well, and have seen the evidence with my own eyes, if you got somthing to say spit it out.....

cossiedave

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not a chance

RWD_cossie_wil

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so basically you are talking shit

JonnyBravo

I have to say that I know several people that use EA with good results.

That includes his mapping, however until you go to the next tuner, who actually knows if it is actually any good.

I've read enough horror stories about Harvey yet I have found him to be very helpful and clearly he does know what he is doing considering some of the engines he builds and what they get used for.

Every tuner has a few unhappy customers, its a way of life sadly.

Certainly seemed that Ian was 110% shafted though but as you have now mentioned that there is to sides to the story you may as well spill the beans

D-Sport

this is old old old news ffs, every tuner as said above has a few bad storys ,

D-Sport

if you have used them to set up your cossie and havent had a problem why are you trying to stir shit, why dont you ask EA directly if you have genuine concerns, all your going to get here is a very one sided story

XRT_si

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I used them once. I will never, ever use them again. Make of that what you will.

Miller 3

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Iv used Paul a few times with no problems...
Oddkid gets his mapping done there..
Effes car etc etc..

Martin-Hadland

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Please don't slag Harvey, he is a decent tuner! I have a flagship EA car in my possession and looking at the Ign map it has 3 values used for the whole Ign map!!

Dave_cos

well our cossie was mapped by EA by the previous owner, ran like a bag of shit! would stall all the time...run stupidly rich in lower revs, used to eat plugs all the time, cold starting was a nightmare(could have been down to a head problem though)

then when the head was getting done it was found to have melted a piston then bodged backl together...also to add that their dyno massively overreads in most cases...we had a reading of 480 bhp which was said to be no more than 430 by another decent tuner after he looked at the map

bigchez

Do you do mapping @ Reyland or more building/fabrication work?

Martin-Hadland

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Yes I can map but i't's not my specialist subject... I can however spot a shite map a mile off

FIESTA CHRIS H

Martin-Hadland

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And by that you mean?

ESCYSCOTT

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ian's car was @ Harveys when mine was in getting a rebuild and he showed me what EA had done with the external wastgate and the hole in the block etc etc.

I'm no engine builder or tuner or mapper etc but the way that wastgate was "plumbed" in was just a joke.

For someone that spent circa Ł20k with them on their engine you would have thought they'd have fixed his engine but they didn't, he had to get harvey to build him one properly.

Benni

Just out of interest did you map your escort?

ECU Monitor Enthusiast

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Harveys ok but has his ecentricities in the way he maps like most tuners

Only 3 ignition values Bet that was a quick set up and well optimised

FIESTA CHRIS H

That u know how to build a proper car and if u say they're good they must be

Martin-Hadland

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Maybe I exaggerated slightly but the map has the same Ign value from 0-2000 mbar no matter what rpm.

Bullett

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you are quite right mate,but i know far too many people who have had no end of issues with paul at ea.i used to send my mates there to start with but he has fucked up so many of them,bad set up,breaking bits,awful fueling,and turbos and engines letting go

i do know ian to chat to and i have heard all the stories of his woes and effe's car is far from being good,and im sure if effe was to come on here being honest he wouldnt be impressed with the service he recieved from paul for tjhe huge amount of cash he had spent with him!

i myself have used harvey and never had a problem with his service or his work, i have also used grove garage in the past with my turbos and again no probs.

pauls rr figures tend to be ballshit too.

tabetha

Everyone has thier own interpretations iof what is a effective and safe map.
Clearly though if it causes an engine to go bang, it is not the customers fault, and should be sorted at the mappers expense, IF that is what happened, as two sides to every story.
If you know how to map correctly you know how to map correctly, if you don't you don't simple as that.
There are of course opinions on how much fuel/ignition to add/take away, there are differences in different people maps, some prefer a bit richer to lower temps for example, be a bit safer.
I don't like ahmed's mapping, despite that FACT he knows what he is doing and does do a good job.
Some chips can go dodgy, I had one last week for someone else that checked out ok on the reader etc, the company are VERY big in this stuff and well respected, but the chip just would not work in a L6 it was supplied for.
I did not name the company as it was not thier fault, just very bad luck, they did applogise when it was evident that the chip was at fault, supplied a replacement that was perfect immediately and all were happy.
I know of one particular tuner who has recently been annoyed by a customer who was "over the moon" with his car and the way it went, but the mapper was NOT happy and had the car back for a further day to make tweaks here an there, should the customer be pissed or happy ?, he wanted his car, so did the mapper for different reasons.
tabetha

MikeR

I have heard of a few horror storys from Paul Hill's l really think people under estimate the relationship with there respective tuner, they may have built super duper engines that make mega power but if you are not comfortable with them and made to feel at ease then walk out there door, you are potentially giving them alot of money,

The tuner l use l have been conversing with him for 6/7 years and not really spent that much money with him in the scheme of things but he always answers and is there


Mike

timb551

In my experience with EA, if paul is doing the work it all seems to be fine, but when one of his monkeys does the work its shite.

He ended up giving me a Ł300 refund after they had done some diagnostic work on my seat ended up telling me that a piston had gone. I took further advice and found that it was an air flow metre. Imagine if i had said ok please build me a new engine!!!!!

That it only my experience though and i have never had anything that exciting done by them.

Always liked paul, very friendly but i just think he has employed the wrong people.

MikeR

Tim thats a very diplomatic answer and fair play, unfortuanately l think alot of these tuners expand to fast to the detriment of quality work


Mike

RS craig 71

anyone know what software paul at EA uses on his setups? had my k plate saff set up there 2 yrs ago had no problems so far. he did do away with my lambda though, said it wasn,t working right anyway,he said the pectal board used does a more refined job.but every mot my co is 7% he told me to wind the screw on the ecu which did bring it down and therefore passed, i did ask if this would upset my fueling he said the screw is only for emmissions and has nothing to do with the fuelling or the map.and to wind it back up afterwards as cossies like to run rich.

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PIEMS

lammylama

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i had my old saff set up at EA with no probs at all......it went in with 286bhp and came out with 344 bhp ......paul found a few issues with the car and IMHO did a great job.

Have just brought another saff too which i called paul about setting up but am a bit dubvious now after reading this thread.

All i do is hear conflicting information about different tuners...WTF am i supposed to believe??

Every tuner is going to have unhappy customers which everyone gets to hear about thro here and other sites but you dont often here about the amount of happy customers they have too.

I think you just have to trust who sets your car up and if you have issues with them there is a simple answer.......dont use them again!!!!!

Dannn

EA - one of the tuners your allowed to slag off on passionford -lol